Amelia Island Concours D’Elegance - 2022

There was more than one.

Marcel Massini

 

Back in the early-1990s, I purchased BB 512i #49259 for our company Symbolic Motors. The factory invoice accompanying the car showed an FOB Maranello delivery date of 3 January 1984.

 

Wow!

 

Invoicing has zero to do with production/manufacturing.

Marcel Massini

 

No need for pm. This is the main Ferrari fake referred to in this thread and the whole of the FerrariChat website for nearly 20 years: the infamous chassis #DP003 owned by James Glickenhaus, the David Piper P4 replica that is NOT Ferrari's number 0846 and did NOT win the 1967 24 Hours of Daytona driven by Chris A(yy)monn and Lorenzo Bandini.

I don't know what the others were.

Picture credit Kelley Des Marais.
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I would have normally taken a picture of the card with the history but this year they had those stupid barcodes.

Did the seriously claim everything you just said in the barcode history? That is unbelievable.

I have been on this website longer than damn near everybody and I have not seen the thread about this car.

 

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/the-one-and-only-0846-debate-thread.423520/

I have a lot of reading to do

 

I don't know what the barcode history stated but see link here for the Hagerty description.

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Below is the description from the link from which the sentence in bold is total fantasy:

Vehicle Description.

Ferrari P3/4 #0846 began as a P3 built and raced by Ferrari in 1966. At the end of 1966 “0846” was converted by Ferrari into a P3/4 and went on to win the 1967 24 Hours of Daytona where Ferrari got its revenge upon Ford who had ended their six-year run of victories in the world’s most famous road race. To rub salt in Ford’s wound, the three- car Ferrari sweep – and perfectly staged 1-2-3 finish line photo -- of the \67 24 Hours of Daytona was a reprise of Ford’s bungled attempt at a three-car dead heat finish. Ferrari’s winner, “0846”, led the way driven by Ferrari’s F1 stars (Ford’s ’66 Le Mans winner Chris Amon and Lorenzo Bandini).

Ferrari missed the 12 Hours of Sebring to concentrate on the 24 Hours of Le Mans and revenge. The Daytona winner raced again in the rugged Sicilian Targa Florio where local ace Nino Vaccarella carved an astonishing two minutes off the existing lap record to the amazement and alarm of everyone on the island: “0846” was so fast that some competitors altered their race strategies! But in the race “Nino” made a rare mistake and hit a wall retiring “0846” on the first lap.

At Le Man,s Amon was back in His Daytona-winning “0846”, sharing with Ferrari’s 1964 Le Mans winner and 1965 Targa winner and Sicilian hero Nino Vaccarella.

Running well in the top ten “0846” suffered a flat tire late Saturday night that ignited a fire. By the time the fire truck arrived “0846” was fully engulfed. Amon escaped, running from the flames. When the safety crews arrived, they assumed “0846” was beyond saving and steeled themselves to find Amon’s corpse in the wreck. That’s when Amon emerged from the gloom (and the crowd near the track) uninjured. A corner worker, shocked to see him alive and well, fainted.

After Le Mans “0846” was returned to the Ferrari factory where it was deconstructed, studied and scrapped. Years later the remains were acquired of “0846” and, with the help of Ferrari S.p.A. who recast suspension uprights, commissioned a restoration to return “0846” to its original specifications. Controversy continues to follow the car. Later it was tested by Car and Driver magazine. The current owner has twice driven it in the Classic Targa Florio in Sicily with much better luck that its first Targa Florio visit in 1967.

 

One would assume the wording “with the help of Ferrari S.p.A.” would attract the attention of guys in really nice blue suits with big watches.

 

@Dr Tommy Cosgrove I just downloaded a barcode scanner to my phone and the barcode brings up the Hagerty description linked in my post here.

The wonders of mobile phone technology at your fingertips.

 

The cause of Mr. Cavallino's total meltdown and the source of (how many years?) of grief on F-Chat
at least until P4/5 came along.

We announced that we would have the P4 and P4/5 at the 2007 Palm Beach Supercar weekend which
had no affiliation with Ferrari SpA or Ferrari NA and I was contacted by a friend who was also a principal of
Cavallino.

I'll never forget it, he said, "You better watch out!".

I laughed about it then and really laugh about it now.

BHW

 

Are you saying Glickenhaus's car is 0846?

 

Pretty much our sentiments. We did not like the way the entry was handled (crowded and some workers were a bit on the rude side) nor that entry to the hotel was limited. And, we agree that there were somewhat less - and less interesting - cars. Still, a "good enough" show...but may not make it an annual event moving forward. The highlight for us was the Gooding auction...

 

the usher couldn't get my QR code to scan, so he gave up and let me in without it scanning.

the metal detectors were a bit much too. sign of the times I guess.

 

The metal detectors had me stopped for 3 or 4 minutes until they finally found the empty eyeglass case in my backpack.

 

I was told that Hagerty rented the entire hotel(Ritz). It's no accident that the event has been renamed "The Amelia", Hagerty may well move the event to another location in a year or two.

 

Does it count if I do ?

 

No.

 

That sucks even more.

Corporate ownerships **** things up worse than the government

 

has Hagerty moved any of the other shows they've purchased?

I can't think of a better venue for that event than where it is, within 100 miles. moving it to a different city and they would have been better off starting an event from scratch.

 

https://theshopmag.com/news/hagerty-moves-2022-concours-delegance-of-america-to-detroit-institute-of-arts/

 

interesting

 

Perhaps organizers were aware of some emotional issues/obsessions, maybe including (unhealthy ?) hatred, publicly expressed toward some of the invited cars and/or their owners and were just resorting to extra safety protocols in hopes of deterring any disruptions or physical manifestations of such at their event ?

 

Someone has delusions of grandeur. If Jim Glickenhaus would stop beating this drum, this controversy would go away.

 

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