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  1. dsd

    dsd F1 Rookie
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    Probably for the best as I love the car :). Daily drove it for 3 years (2007-2010). Honestly, the car has been bulletproof. Still fast. A touch under stated. Not to say the car is perfect— there are certainly some changes I would have done (and did do).

    I can only speak for myself, but imo, it’s the last great Ferrari. Timeless beauty without being over the top (like I think most modern exotics are as they are all wind tunnel designed). Plenty of modern comforts without being a slave to electronics. Again, imo, there is nothing to trade it for except a true vintage Ferrari. I’m sure many new cars are faster as the car is approaching 20 years old but it’s still more car than I need or can handle.

    Find a well maintained one and you will not be disappointed.

    best of luck!
     
  2. Themaven

    Themaven F1 Rookie

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    I completely agree.

    I am fortunate in that I get to drive newer Ferraris (and other similar cars) on a regular basis. There are some amazing cars among them. 812 SF? Wow. Huracan RWD? Different kind of car but also..and so on. While I have owned my 575 (gated, 2004, FHP) I have seen the newer cars that were much more expensive drop to similar prices as mine, and then below.

    Now, a good F12 is a straight swap and a 812 is not a million miles away. And the 812 is better in so many ways, faster, easier to drive, more comfortable, and so on. It's also more fun, an 812 flat out is pure thrill. But a gated 575 really is a bridge to a great classic front engine V12 Ferrari. With the compromises but also the earthiness, a kind of satisfaction. And it's still fast! Floor it in 4th gear at 70 and not that many cars even now will keep up with you.
     
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  3. 635CSI

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    A GTE is a great thing with a wonderful community around it.
    If you do decide to make the swap let me know and I will make sure you are in the loop.
    My GTE friends can offer sensible buying advice too.

    Foe what it is worth, I would trade many things for a manual 575M, but my GTE is not one of them.
     
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  4. Crocodon

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  5. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Very nice one.
     
  6. marce

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  7. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    No manual 575Ms were originally imported to Australia, so the only way to get one was to bring in a C spec UK 575M or convert an F1.
     
  8. marce

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    no wonder I found it so hard to find one in 2014
     
  9. 21ATS

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  10. 635CSI

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    Seems realistically priced. Should sell quickly, let’s see.
    Will benefit from a few ECU and suspension upgrades.
     
  11. 21ATS

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    RHD 575 Manual on collecting cars.

    UK car 22,700 miles, Grigio TItanio over sabbia, FHP, contrasting piping, no shields.

    Ends tomorrow. Current bid £165,000 + commission which is capped at £6,000

    https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2003-ferrari-575m-maranello-9

    It's a perfect classy spec that for me is only missing the modular wheels.
     
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  12. 635CSI

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    Anybody know anything about this car ?
     
  13. 21ATS

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    I remember seeing it at KHPC back when I was looking for a 550/575 (I've actually bought an FF now instead). From memory it was being advertised at circa £170K (maybe even more) but I was told it actually sold at £130K, I tend to take these things with a pinch of salt though.

    I did find it in their sold section though so I'm pretty sure it's the same car. So this would probably have been about 3 or 4 years ago.

    https://www.tfcgb.com/previously-sold/6027194-ferrari-575-m-manual/
     
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  14. jtremlett

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    It was owned for a long time by Richard Allen, former chairman of the Ferrari Owners' Club. I have seen it many times. Slades had it for sale in 2016 for £250k.
     
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  15. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Late summer, early fall 2003 575M. Just missed the straight center pipes so still has the center resonator. No 575M script, either, but got the chrome grille. Very nice.
     
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  16. Themaven

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    I remember seeing that for sale also. Didn't see it in person though. Looked very nice, I love the sabbia leather with the piping. Basic spec, I think zero extras apart from FHP. No leather shelf, Daytonas, or modulars.
     
  17. Themaven

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    It looks like this sold for £176,000, or maybe a bit more if there is VAT on the commission. Quite strong for an auction.
     
  18. 635CSI

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    Is anybody looking at the cars on offer in Monterey?
    Broad Arrow have the following 575 Manual.
    https://www.broadarrowauctions.com/vehicles/jc22_078/2002-ferrari-575m
    Early production, no FHP, few extras, and I personally don’t like the RC over tan.
    $300-$400k
    And then there is this.
    https://www.broadarrowauctions.com/vehicles/jc22_045/2000-ferrari-550-maranello
    11 k miles. Lots of options, doesn’t need FHP, extensive engine service, Modular’s and so on
    $225-275k
    Now, I am not saying 575 manuals are overdone in absolute terms , but I guess I am saying that for an enthusiast/driver a very well sorted 550 is starting to be a much better value proposition.
    I don’t have skin in the game at the moment and am throughly enjoying my F12 and it’s fabulous gear box.
    But as my presence here shows I still do hanker for a Maranello. With the current 550-575 6 speed spread, if I was acting now, the 550 seems more tempting.
     
  19. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Graham- Rarity is what makes the difference. Over 3000 550s vs 246 3 pedal 575Ms, plus however many conversions are out there.
     
  20. 635CSI

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    Fully agreed Taz. I don’t think that fact contradicts what I am saying above.
     
  21. ralfabco

    ralfabco Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I do not understand the desire to pay significant money for the 575 6spd conversion. What is the point in paying the dollars for a conversion. I assume this is because the stock 575M has more on-paper performance vs the stock 550. FYI. Modern GT cars are going to leave your 550/575 in the dust. You end up chasing your tail.

    Where do you stop with the modifications. Example - a 512 Boxer. Add the tires, shocks, seats, and modify the engine. The car will still not be able to keep up with a modern Mustang.



    Economically it makes more sense to modify a 550 to run circles around the 575M 6spd manual conversion.

    The factory built 575M 6spd manual - is a different story. I understand the rarity and collectable following with the low production #'s.
     
  22. Mellow_Maranello

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    The point is in the US at least a converted 575 will cost you less than a 550 today.

    A 575 with headers is at least 50whp ahead of a 550 and I don't think even for $40k you can get a 550 up to 575 power let alone one that will run circles around one. Of course no one buys these cars for the outright performance relative to a modern car but to some an easy 50+ hp advantage for the same all in cost is nice to have.

    This is the only 550 that would run circles around a 575 and last I checked they're $4.5m. Maybe you could squeeze a Tipo F140 under the hood (probably $150k job if it works) or convince Prodrive to build you a 550 GTS spec motor (probably $400k)
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  23. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Those were 6 liter engines, too.
     
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  24. LorenzoOO

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    It’s not about 1/4 mile or zero to 60 times for true Ferraristi. Do you think a 250 or 288 GTO are fast compared to today’s cars? Collectors don’t care about horsepower.



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  25. ralfabco

    ralfabco Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I understand this point.

    Collectors pay a premium for a factory built collectable vehicle.
     

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