Hi, I am in the process of buying my first Ferrari Can't wait!! I am sure each one of you have been in my situation and tried not let your emotions affect your buying decision. I have been talking to a dealer in STL (I will post name if someone tells me it is appropriate) and have gotten some very interesting comments. They have a 96 355B, 1 owner car. It looks to have all the service records (dealer in NE) which is what I would like to have. They want ~70K for the car with 26K miles which seems to be a very good price. After speaking to a number of independant service tech's and two authorized dealer service departments, they recommend getting a compression test and leak down test for 95 - 97 since they have had valve guide issues in certain engines. When I contacted the dealer, I wanted a pre-buy inspection and I thought the guy was going to blow a gasket. "There is no way our car is going to another dealer. Are you crazy? We are a top end dealer and all of our cars are perfect. This is an insult." I was totally taken. I told him I am trying to make a sound investment. He continued to tell me they are a great dealer and they don't sell bad cars. In the end, his statement to me was "IF you want to buy the car, then it will be on our terms, not yours. Take it or leave it". In the number of times I have spoken to me, it does not seem they car to help make the buyer feel good about the deal. My better judgement tells me do run and not do business with anyone like this no matter what the deal $$ is. I guess this message was for two reasons: 1) to just vent on my experience which I would have never had dreamed in a million years. Come on, who is spending the money and what ever happened to customer service!! But second, and more importantly, I am very interested in more information about the valve guide issue. Big concern on any car, have it tested, etc????? I don't want to end up going to a shop for 20K to fix an issue after I buy a car. Thouhgts? Thanks as always for anyone's input!!!! -chris
It isnt 7 grand. We talking about alot of money. So, why can the buyer do a PPI. Tell them, you will buy the car if they will cover all cost if something goes wrong. See, what he has to say then. But, you are right. Just move on.
easy decision here, chris..... while their asking price is reasonable, it's not "cheap" enough that you can afford to throw an extra 10K in to cover unexpected repair. ps: this is a black 355b that was on ebay last week, correct?
Chris, FOH has a 95 355B "A very nice Berlinetta that has been meticulously maintained. Recent top-end rebuild by Ferrari of Houston, with stainless steel valve guides, timing belts service, new clutch, new headers, new catalytic converters. Ferrari Certified with one-year limited warranty." I believe that they are asking $75k. This is for a 9-year old car with a warranty! http://www.ferrariofhouston.com/car_details.asp?cid=2 If it were me, I'd pay the $5k extra for a car rebuilt by FOH backed by a FNA warranty. DrTax
I have strong connections to extreme high-end dealers in St. Louis. PM me the dealer name, and I'll get you some background info for you. -Daniel
Sounds to me like any dealer that balks at having their car inspected is afraid to have it inspected. There are plenty of F355's to pick from. Be patient - you'll find the perfect one.
Hello Chris, I know the dealer you are talking about, as I live in St. Louis A few months back another member of this board who lives in Kansas city was looking at a 77 GTB at this dealer. He was told the same thing. I offered to go look at the car for him (this was being offered as a courtesy, I expected nothing in return). I believe it is possible another member of this board did stop in and look at the car I do not remember. I also called and talked with the dealer to see if I could help arrange a PPI, as I know a few of the local shops, I was told the same as you NO WAY. I was told the same as the gentleman in KC and you seem to have been told the same also (at least they are consistent). please feel free to call me at 636-273-6774 Thanks, Chuck
Thanks!! I did speak with Joe earlier this week. Sounds like a good deal. Consignment though and no warrently is included in that price. I am focusing on this car more now. I guess I have to decide red or black. I live in CO and red would be much nicer! BR, -chris
Just found the auction. I'm familiar with the dealer. All I can say is, "trust your instinct". Whether it's a good price or not, it's still 70K -- which is a lot of money, no matter how you count it. Get the car you're comfortable with & pay a decent, fair price to a dealer you like & trust. Whether it's a Ferrari or a Kia, make sure you're comfortable with the dealer or else you'll always question/doubt the car.
I'll be happy to call Joe for you. He owes me a favor, whether he wants to admit it or not. BTW, go to Pebble Beach this Summer. You will see so many red Ferraris that you will never buy a red one, ha! Dr "Wearing Dark Sunglasses" Tax
Your altruism reminded me of how many wonderful folks are in this community. It's truly great to see.... Tom,
Ha! Do you what is funny. I have actually been looking at this car myself... This is from a guy who just brought a 2002 Yellow Porsche TT, and who has a Maranello, and who has an E55 AND a 2001 Porsche C4 that he needs to sell. I am one sick puppy... Hi, My name is DrTax, and I have a serious jones. I want to drive every cool car that I see. You know, lately, I have been identifying with Slim Perkins in Dr Strangelove. You know, the last scene where he rides that A-Bomb all the way in, while spanking his monkey... What a way to go.
You guys are working way to hard to protect this dealer's name. The old days are gone, if a dealer acts like a bully and say stupid things like- "no test drive" or "no PPI" and tries to make you feel like a jerk. That dealer has just bought himself a E-ticket to getting him name posted on ever car web site you visit. Buyers now have a voice, I love the web. Reminds me of a great Chris Rock joke- Its like finding a beta max.... they still make people like you?
Ditto that! Save someone else the time and frustration of having to deal w/smucks like that. Thats just plain crazy not letting you do a PPI. Let him know your posting his remarks and dealer protical on this site so you can be straight forward w/o going behind his back, that way he can come here and explain himself!!! Hard to find a warranty 355, go for the black one @ FOH
Not the best feedback I have ever seen on ebay either - I would be a little worried. I have never heard of anyone refusing a PPI. I would be nervous.
Do not consider this car in your search - trust your gut. Many great examples out there, keep looking.
I had a dealer tell me once "Get on..... or get off!" LOL! That pretty well sums it up, in a visually graphic kind of way. He was joking though, just trying to press the sale. He was pretty funny, also: "You know why all Ferraris are low mileage???? "No, why?" "Because they don't run long enough to get to be high mileage!" I told him not to say things like that, as he takes a young kid's life savings. Back on topic, it appears that car at FoH HAS had all issues addressed. Valves, headers, etc.
Being new on the forum, I just did not know if it was appropriate or not. You have to love the web for allowing buyers to share this type of information. Just too bad ebay won't let you add comments to paid dealers using them as a ad tool for $40.00. Anyway, this is their website. For the past week, the picture links don't even works - concerned about their image .. I guess not. http://www.schmittmotorcars.com/ I have decided to move on. Their lost to the wonderful Ferrari community we have here. It is amazing all the wonderful people I have met and spoke to just researching for the right car! Thanks! -chris
Chris, Where are you in Colorado? If you would like to see a great F355 and know more about what to look for feel free to let me know. You can PM me if you would like.
All you need to know right here! A dealer that would actually associate THIS with a Ferrari for sale (in the same county)??? Come on!! DL
Thanks for naming the dealer Chris. I hope you didn't take my post the wrong way.... when I mentioned the joke I was talking about making fun of the dealer, not you for not posting the name. Anyway I just wanted to make that clear... I think its very cool that you may have helped others avoid the same treatment that you went through. It would be nice if this car dealer wrote in to us. We'd be happy to teach him a bit about how to sell big-ticket cars to guys that know a little about what they are doing.