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  1. petrol_junkie

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    Interesting @ScarbsTech thinks Ferrari may have gone with the split turbo (skip to 5.10)
     
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  2. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ Rossa Subscribed

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    Yes they have.....I did some digging and can confirm Ferrari have gone with the split-turbo for 2022.....with the help of Wolff Zimmerman(German technician) working at Ferrari F1"s PU dept.
     
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    Can this be confirmed. It’s been stated by so many that they stuck with their traditional design.
     
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    Yes.....let me find the info. I'll get back to you shortly.
     
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    @crinoid

    First and foremost, the head guy at Maranello for the whole PU department is Enrico Gualtieri and his right hand man whom takes credit for the design of the "Superfast" PU is Wolff Zimmerman (German technician). Apparently, the 2022 does have the split-turbo design thereby coping the Mercedes/Honda split turbo.

    So this article was 9 months ago: https://scuderiafans.com/ferrari-dec...nd-effect-car/

    here are excerpts from the article regarding the split-turbo:

    The new Ferrari engine adopts the architecture of the supercharging system that will see the separation of turbine and compressor, taking up the concept introduced by Mercedes and then adopted by Honda.

    The… copying is aimed at introducing the compressor inside the intake box to give a very low and compact 6-cylinder in favor of more extreme aerodynamics. The name “Superfast” would be justified by a combustion chamber capable of an explosion phase with very fast ignition times.




    ALSO

    This video is in italian but someone confirmed that the video stated:

    The video states:
    -split turbo, also gained -4cm in length
    -new floor in Bahrain
    -new front suspension more rigid and higher front-end
    -no other updates. Redbull and MB will bring their B-spec car.

    It shows the split turbo from 1:24 thru 1:58.


    PU Ferrari nuova architettura




     
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  6. crinoid

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    Wow thanks. That’s fascinating. Ferrari have been pretty good about misdirection regarding this. It’s good they’re remembering how to keep the cards close to the chest.
     
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  7. 20000rpm

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    I don't know how many of you guys have noticed but the Ferrari does sound more like Honda of 2021. Maybe just me!!
     
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    Today felt good..
     
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    We have all been celebrating like crazy on the race thread.

    But, let's keep this Ferrarista thread going too.

    So firstly a massive congratulations to everybody involved today, drivers, strategist, technicians, strategists, aero guys, pit crews, the factory.
    Everybody from Binotto to the youngest apprentice boy and girl back in Maranello. All part of it !

    Secondly, a huge pat on the back to all of us Keepers of the Faith.
    We have been in dark places surrounded by sinister orc like trolls, we may have trials ahead.
    But, today was ours.

    Forza !
     
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    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/binotto-ferrari-cannot-afford-wrong-step-in-looming-f1development-war/9186983/

    Binotto: Ferrari cannot afford wrong step in looming F1 development war

    Ferrari says it cannot afford to make a wrong step with the development of its new Formula 1 car now, if it is to keep up its strong start to the 2022 season.

    The Maranello-based squad delivered a perfect opening to the new campaign, with Charles Leclerc and Carlos Sainz finishing 1-2 in the Bahrain Grand Prix.


    But in a season where it is predicted there will be an aggressive development war, the current form book is likely to be shaken up a lot as teams bring on car upgrades.

    The situation is further complicated, however, by the presence of the F1 cost cap, which means teams cannot simply throw all the money they like at bringing steps forward to the track.

    Ferrari team principal Mattia Binotto is mindful about the potential pitfalls of developments not working now, as he suggests there is still more pace to extract from the current F1-75.

    “There is still potential in the car certainly, but we do need to develop the car,” said Binotto after the Bahrain race.

    “When you have a good baseline, and when you are developing, you need to make sure that whatever you're bringing to the car is a step forward.

    “And that's even more important now that we got a budget cap. We cannot make it wrong.

    “We will have only a few opportunities of development and, whatever we will do, we need to make sure that those are the proper and the right ones.”

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    Charles Leclerc, Ferrari, 1st position, celebrates victory with his team in Parc Ferme

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    Despite Ferrari’s winning start to the season, Binotto still feels Red Bull remains favourite for the championship with so little pace difference between them.

    “I think the others are very, very strong,” explained Binotto. “They proved to be very strong in the quali and it was really a matter of detail.

    “I think in the race they could have been stronger, but maybe they had some reliability issues or something that was not perfect on their car from what we may understand from the radio communications. They would have been very fast otherwise.

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    “And if I look at the first stint of Max, on used tyres, he was keeping the pace of Charles. So I think we should not forget that those ones are the world champion, they are still the favourites, and I think what we can try to do is to do our best.

    “Jeddah in a week's time can be a completely different picture and I think we need to wait at least four or five races to see the true picture.”
     
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    So ICE are now frozen until 2026.
    Seems like Ferrari and Shell have done a tremendous job to adapt with the E10.
    Best ICE for now according to everyone.

    Objectively we are in better shape to win WCC and WDC than in 2010-2017-2018.:)
     
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    Interesting how Leclerc only uses 7th gear on the main straight but uses 8th (with DRS) on the run to T4:

     
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    As we say in Modena and Reggio Emilia, calc' in cullo.
     
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    LOL. Let’s hope the butt kicking continues!
     
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  16. jpalmito

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    Yes, I would love to see Marko’s face when it will happen again !
    Priceless !;)
     
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    Keep Toto's "hand in the toilet".;)
     
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    Pardon my ignorance, but can you or anyone explain what is the significance of this video, more specifically driving on lower gear on the straight while on a higher one on the next straight, where he uses DRS.
     
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    ..and since we're at it, his head also!
     
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    There is more acceleration in lower gears than in taller gears.
    Unless you reach the redline of one gear, you accelerate faster in that gear than the next.

    DRS was supposed to add 16 K/hr and maybe redline was somewhere in between.
    Also note: they have to use the same gear ratios every circuit, so, 8th-gear is devoted to the highest speed seep on any track.
     
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    The obvious takeaway from this for me is that the top speed differential between Max and Leclerc is not as big in reality since Leclerc didn’t use top gear and probably also not full battery deployment as it would have been wasted in defending Max who had DRS and would have overtaken him in any case.

    Instead, Leclerc saved battery energy—and probably harvested some more of it—and deployed at the next DRS zone. The speed achieved there required him to shift into 8th gear and allowed to make the pass.

    So not sure if he went faster on the run to T4–need to check the RPM—but for sure he wasn’t all out on the main straight and had planned that in advance to retake Max before T4.
     
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    Wow!! Thank you guys.
    This requires a lot of mental alertness aka "being smart" when you have someone charging at you from behind to take such decisions. Whether he analysed all of this while watching Max in his rear mirrors or got help from his engineer to come to such a conclusion, both deserve praise, nevertheless.
     
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    I think what they are pointing out is he basically let Max go by into turn one and then had the advantage from there into turn 4.....
     
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    Two years of pain for us ..
    Now enjoy this guys !

     
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    Exactly. In post race interviews, LeClerc said he was slowing early enough to let Max by into turn 1, but close enough that he was right behind him at the next DRS detection point.

    Even at 190 mph that kid is thinking two steps ahead. Glad he’s on our team. I said it when he was in F2, he’s got a championship or two in his future.
     
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