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488 Error Codes due to Driving "Style"

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  1. villaraptor

    villaraptor Rookie

    Feb 28, 2022
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    Thanks to all who tribute to this forum. I have learned a great deal here in the time leading up to the purchase my first F car.

    The car I chose to purchase was two owner, 2016 488 CPO from a Ferrari dealer. The car was sold new and serviced by the dealer from which I purchased it. It's a great spec and only 2600 miles, a year left on the maintenance program and the 2 year power train warranty. Based on info here, I had the dealer install a new battery prior to delivery. Thought I couldn't go wrong, right....

    Well the car has been back to the dealer three times in the first 10 days of ownership.

    1) Had the car delivered directly from the dealer to a indy mechanic to have front skid guard installed. Put it on the lift and discovered an oil leak. Dealer was great. Sent a tow truck out immediately and fixed the leak in a couple days. Oil pump o-rings were leaking. Leak looked like it had been there for a while, but oh well they took care of it no questions asked. The car had sat quite a bit since new, so not out of the ordinary for a bad o-ring.
    2) Got the car back, drove it about 10 miles home from the indy shop and "Limited Performance take to dealer" notice and engine icon lights come on. Back on the tow truck to the dealer. Codes are P0299 and P02CB. Dealer resets the codes, car is running fine and they cant replicate the issue.
    3) Got it back a few days later, drove about 35 miles and same "Limited Performance take to dealer" notice and engine icon lights come on. Car is running fine, but the lights stay on even after a battery reset. Back to the dealer.

    The light has come on both times after 2nd to 3rd accelerations. I'm not over revving the engine, never close to hitting the rev limiter. Shifting at light 4 on the wheel. As a matter of fact the first time the code was thrown the car was at 6500rpm.

    So, Dealer calls me today and tells me the car is "in perfect health", they will be bringing it back to me and the reason the car is throwing codes is due to my driving style??? He said I should drive it in auto mode.

    My indy guy, who worked at a F dealer for many years, said he has never heard such a thing. Well not quite in those exact words.

    Anyone else been told anything like this?
     
  2. italiafan

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    WTF!?
    No, just NO.

    First, how the hell did they do a CPO inspection and not see an oil leak you immediately discovered. That right there would raise the hairs on the back of my neck.
    Then utter BS to tell you about your driving style. These cars can be driven like your Granny borrowed it to go to church, and they can be driven like Mario Andretti just stole it from you...in either case it should work flawlessly.
    If I were you I’d start looking into escalating this to a higher level at the dealership...and FNA if necessary.
     
  3. MANDALAY

    MANDALAY F1 World Champ
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    Ill double it WTF ?????

    I have a bridge for sale its cheap.

    Never heard of BS this bad.

    Im sorry but you have purchased a car that obviously has problems.

    Where are you located ? 2,600 miles 2016 with leaks and such low mileage ? Ild question this, especially if it has been inspected.

    Something doesn't smell right , ESPECIALLY from a Ferrari dealer. JUMP ON THEM .
     
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  4. wthensler

    wthensler F1 Rookie
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    There is definitely something wrong with the car.

    I’ve had two hard codes in 30k of hard driving - spark plugs, and a pre-cat O2 sensor. Both caused the car to go into limp mode (engine performance compromised).

    The car was out of warranty, but it wasn’t a big deal for my mechanic to get them sorted.

    I track the car and rev it into next week without problems (458). They’re built to run that way. And no leaks whatsoever, anywhere.

    I hope you get the resolution you deserve. Good luck.
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  5. RayJohns

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    Auto mode... that's moronic.

    The first 300 miles in my 488, I took it out to a country road and did 4 or 5 full throttle 1/4 runs so hard it even scared me. The car should perform fine out of the box.

    Auto mode is for your grandmother as far as I'm concerned. It's completely worthless.

    I'd have the car checked by someone who actually knows what they are doing/talking about.

    Ray
     
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  6. jordanfsl

    jordanfsl Formula Junior

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    Had a similar issue with a 488, about 9K miles. Dealer unable to find the issue after two service visits, would clear the codes but it eventually would happen again. I sold the car (through the dealer) and they were able to certify it for Power warranty or whatever the other one is.

    buyer had the same issue after a couple hundred miles. After all that….bad spark plug, the contact was broken. Seriously, $15 part or whatever. Replaced and apparently that was it. New buyer loves the car so hopefully this gets resolved for you.
     
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  7. RayJohns

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    Fouled plugs will definitely do it.

    On my Toyota I actually grind the ground strap right off the spark plugs and run them like that. Works great because it fully exposes the electrode to the combustion chamber. You might try it on your Ferrari there, although I'm sure everyone at the dealership would flip out.

    Ray


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  8. villaraptor

    villaraptor Rookie

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    Thanks for the feedback on the plugs. Will definitely keep that in mind when it goes back in. At this point the next time the car throws a code I am going to take it to a different dealer, with a different ownership group, and see if I can get some proper service, not some condensing BS.

    Really disturbing to hear the your dealer CPO'd your car with a known, unresolved issue. Just plain wrong! One of the main reasons I chose this car was due to its history at this dealer and its pre-owned / warranty status. Maybe a theme???
     
  9. RayJohns

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    You guys put far too much weight in the CPO stuff. By and large, you are still dealing with used car salesmen - Ferrari or not.

    Ray
     
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  10. jordanfsl

    jordanfsl Formula Junior

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    You will learn as part of F-car ownership that an occasional electronic gremlin is not a rare occurrence. And they specifically CPO'd it so that IF the buyer had the same issue, they could dig in there and resolve it at no cost. Fortunately it was something easily fixed once finally noticed, apparently the plug was bent in just the right way to cause an intermittent and difficult to find issue.

    As RayJohns said, don't be naive and think the particular car you chose has any special history or will be fault-free. I was the third owner of my 488 and had the full service records over the prior 8500 miles, and my issue had not popped up before that.
     
  11. Sargepug

    Sargepug Formula Junior

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    Complete BS! Yes, a previously pampered car that is now driven aggressively might throw a code, and then clear after a restart. But to tell you to drive strictly in auto, is a crock. Take it to another dealer....
     
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