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  1. ItalGerBrit

    ItalGerBrit Formula Junior

    Mar 15, 2016
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    Oh yes, Winter. That means it is just a little less hot where I am. Never, ever use a heater so never thought about that.
     
  2. ItalGerBrit

    ItalGerBrit Formula Junior

    Mar 15, 2016
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    Forgot about that as heaters are rarely used where I am. Winter means not quite as hot.
     
  3. WillskiGT

    WillskiGT Formula Junior
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    Aug 12, 2017
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    You cause much more engine wear by letting the car warm up at idle vs. just driving it and keeping RPMs low. The engine gets up to temp much more quickly when under load.

    Why anyone would idle a car for 5 minutes before driving (let alone 30) is beyond me.
     
  4. 24000rpm

    24000rpm F1 Rookie

    understood.
    what im saying is that there IS a benefit of letting it idling for like 30 min before driving, as stated in my last post.
    Although its agreed that the benefit is overwelmed by detriments

     
  5. mike32

    mike32 F1 Veteran

    May 13, 2016
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    When any engine is ticking over too long from cold it blows past the rings and takes the oil off the liner surface. As the engine loads up the gas pressure gets behind the rings and helps to seal the blowpast. The initial springing off the rings gives a part seal and then the gas pressure kicks in behind the ring
     
  6. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

    Apr 29, 2004
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    How does that happen when a well designed engine has a vacuum in the crankcase?

    And pressure behind the rings makes them stop doing their job? .
     
  7. mike32

    mike32 F1 Veteran

    May 13, 2016
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    On big diesels we rely on the gas pressure pressing the ring on the liner, especially the top ring, as the pressure acts on the back of the ring. Similar principle.
    When we start to get too much clearance between the side of the ring and the ring groove on the piston we lose some of this gas pressure and start getting blow past. These rings are 900 mm diameter and probably 40x40 mm section- the spring in the ring is not going to give a seal so the gas pressure does the job. I tried walking up the stairs with 2 over my shoulder once, did not make it as too heavy.
     
  8. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

    Apr 29, 2004
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    Don't give a crap about diesels. For all I know its a piston port.

    On gas engines they worked for a long time to get vacuum in the crankcase to make the rings work.. Dry sump motors do it inherently All others use manifold vacuum to do it. Rings with pressure on both sides just don't work. With low tension rings which virtually all gas engines now have its the only way they work. That does not apply to coal burners.
     
  9. mike32

    mike32 F1 Veteran

    May 13, 2016
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    They only have gas pressure on one side, coal burners - nice one
     

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