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348 1 Bank Running Rich, Stalls Occasionally When Hot

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  1. Koenig1

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    So, that stated, I have no o2 lights, etc. Plugs show 1 bank very rich, other bank a touch lean. I need ideas on what to check, try, verify! Plugs have been changed out. The crank sensors were changed last year. The O2 sensors have more than a few years on them, but no idiot lights. Don't really have access to an exhaust reader, but just looking for suggestions. Car starts well, pulls well, and the irritant is the occasional stall when coming to a light when hot. Also, may have to touch the pedal to get it to fire after a stall???
    All suggestions appreciated!
     
  2. Ferrarium

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    MAF, FPR, Cam sensor, fuel pumps, ignitors or coils, lost of possibilities from likely to less likely. I'd try balancing the intakes first, its in the manual, people monkey with those set screws on the TB, set them to the same vacuum both sides.
     
  3. Ferrarium

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    Also if the maf set screw caps are off people monkey with those. That will definitely lean or rich a motor.

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    Hear what you're saying about the mafs'.... this is different. Mafs were set up a few years ago, something else is responsible... and only when running hot! It will arrive at a stoplight, 9x out of 10, proper idle. It's the 10th one that literally stalls while rolling to a stop. To start up on that failure, one must add a little pedal, and it will fire right up!?!?
     
  5. Ferrarium

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    Try turning your air screws out half return and see if that fixes it. If it if it does you have to balance your intakes properly

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    All the plugs on the bank "equally" rich?

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  7. Koenig1

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    Yes, all plugs on passenger Bank are rich!!!
     
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    Bad coolant temp sensor?
     
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    Coolant temps are normal.... maybe worth replacing, I question, wouldn't coolant temps sensor affect both banks? Another thought, maybe if I reverse the O2 sensor feeds.... looking if enrichment follows to other bank...? If so, replace offending O2 sensor, even though no idiot light, or something else?? Thanks for the thoughts guys, keep them coming!
     
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    There is one coolant temp sensor per bank on the 348
     
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    If one CTS is bad the bank it is connected to may not go into close loop mode and would run rich. I had this happen with my 355 causing it to fail emission due to high HC. No CEL, but checking the codes showed CTS error, 1112.
     
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    #12 Koenig1, Apr 1, 2022
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    very interesting on these coolant temp sensors.... Is there anyone who can point to which coolant sensor runs with the passenger side bank(LHdrive car). I'll change that out just to satisfy any possible chance it's screwing me, lol! Anyone know the part #'s that I can search a fiche? maybe even ohm specs???
     
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    Apart from the 2 coolant temperature sensors and the sender for the instrument cluster temperature gauge, I see a temperature "switch" in the 2.5 & 2.7 parts manuals (Item 45).

    Anyone know what this does?
     
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    Bad maf on rich side.
     
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    Thanks guys.... Qavion, is #45 the sensor they name "thermometric switch" ? Yes, would like to know what that does. You mentioned there should be a sensor for each bank, as well as a sender for the gauges... is that correct. If so, are there 2 sensors of either #43 or #45??? Plugsit... I'm thinking I'll switch mafs to other sides and re-initialize the setup, and see if the driver's bank enrichens.... at least that will spell maf or not. thanks
     
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    Two sensors one for each side same part number the washers or copper. Remove the fuel filter and you can get to them reaching inside. Can't miss them the baby blue.

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    Try turning the air screws out on the rich bank throttle body a quarter turn and see if that fixes your stalling. It's a coolant sensor goes bad there is a check engine code for those if I recall correctly.

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    There are two of 43. There is only one (each) of the other two types.
     
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    if you replace it, go to NAPA
    Yes, there's a code and the CEL should come on. But in my case there was no CEL on. Just the code stored in the ECU.
     
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    Update... well, not really... Today, rechecking everything.... took it out for a drive.... ran great! No stalling/hesitation???? You know, sometimes I hate this car!!! Well, I guess today it's on my good side! It was 90*F, humid as hell, and decides it will run just great....! Maybe a loose connector earlier??? I'll wait till the next ride.... thanks for all your suggestions, appreciate it.
     
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    Keep the temp sensors in mind if it happens again. Mine was an intermittent failure. You can test them by putting them in boiling water and watch as the resistance changes. Should be 1000s of ohm when cold and then drop to a couple hundred when hot. Mine work that way on 2 tests, then on the 3rd test the resistance started to drop as it should but suddenly when to infinite. As it cooled down it went back to normal. If it jumps to infinite the ECU thinks the engine in cold and it goes into open loop mode (rich).
     
  23. Koenig1

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    Will do, thanks to all again...
     
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    #45 "thermometric switch" is a thermo-switch which comes on if engine temp reaches 125C and lights up the high temperature warning light.

    Here's the resistance chart of the CTS (Bosch 0 280 130 026):

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    Great info, thanks Miro.
     

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