I don't know, but in my view the price is the price. Almost nobody has one of these yet, and in a world where people are ACTIVELY paying $70-100k above sticker for a G-Wagon then I suspect this $100k "market adjustment" isn't far off the mark...
Mature criticism sure...but LOLing like a chuckling 4th grader? Hey maybe you a 4th grader far as i know! Have a wonderful day. 'LOL'
You seem upset at my choice of words for some reason, not the criticism itself. Seems kinda weird, maybe I should consult you on my grammar before each post. G-wagons have been around for a long time and are at least known to have strong resale value. There's also a sucker born every minute, many of which are buying G-wagons at current pricing. People can buy whatever they want, doesn't mean they aren't a fool for doing it. I don't think dealers asking these absurd prices over MSRP need to be coddled and insulated from criticism over their pricing. Do we have any proof that anyone has paid anywhere near $100k over MSRP for one of these yet? The market will speak for itself in the end. If the dealer can get that kind of money for this then more power to them, but let's not act like they're doing us all a favor by making this available at such a fantastic price. As far as I'm aware there is no forum rule against criticizing an asking price.
Based on the price, that's $2,847/month with the Woodside's low monthly payments. Contact @WolfofWoodside for information. Monthly payment of $2,847 based on a purchase price of $408,000, 20% down, and 6.52% APR financing for 180 months. Rates and terms are subject to change. TT&L may also be financed. Not all applicants will qualify.
BAT had to withdraw an MC20 auction after Maserati corporate got involved and threatened the dealer. It was pretty messy, but there were several days to go in that auction and it was already more than $50k over sticker after BAT fee. People want cars and can't get them. Supply and demand. Go find a Camry and see if you can drive one home today for less than 25% over sticker. You want to wait 4 months, sure people can work with you on the numbers. Want a car that's in stock, this is the going rate.
In defense of dealers and their "market adjustments" I get the disdain and I would personally never pay it - but - dealers have almost no inventory but they still have to pay their rent, insurance, employees, electricity, taxes, the bank etc, etc. Why should a dealer give Joe Schmo a car at MSRP just so he can turn around and flip it on eBay? If the market is willing to pay $100K over I'd prefer that the dealer make that money and stay in business rather than starve to death so some useless, self imposed middleman can make a quick buck.
The dealer is the middleman making a quick buck. What’s the difference? Are you saying they need to sell cars for $100k over sticker to avoid going broke? Times must be so tough!
No, I'm saying if that's the going rate, the dealer should get it. They're the ones doing all the work, incurring all the costs and paying the vig to the manufacturer for the franchise. Some random dude on eBay or BaT has far less excuse for asking over msrp than a dealer whose inventory went from 1000 cars a year to 200.
If I was willing to buy a car over MSRP, giving that extra markup money to a dealer isn't going to make me feel any better about it. Sent from my SM-F926U1 using Tapatalk
Yep. The only "excuse" they need is that people are willing to buy at that price. Period. If someone else is willing to pay more than you and supply is sufficiently limited, they're getting it and you ain't. Why is this so hard to comprehend?
For actual, realized numbers, I know of 2 MC20s that have sold at auction so far. One at 375,000 USD in February, the other at 360,000 USD in March. Both red cars, both prices all-in.
I really don’t get the lack of cars, I see on all these mom and pop dealers lots tons oí used cars. To the point the have no room on their lots, it seems like certain males are purposely shorting the market of new cars. I can see why someone would spend over sticker for a Porsche, but a Camry? Never
The Camry people need the cars more than the Porsche people. The alternate for people paying over sticker for a GT3 is take the C4, the alternate for people paying over sticker for a Camry is take the bus
I'm fairly certain there is a rule on crapping on for sale threads. May want to keep your immature opinion to yourself. If you think this price is bad, go and price USED 3/4 and 1 ton trucks. It's supply and demand, and if you're upset about the markup then do not buy it. That's fairly simple to understand.
Personally I don't get 100k in options, seems like stuff dealers order to push up the price and customers have no choice cause that what there is. As for markups, its a free market. If supply is short and dealers can get the price go for it. No one critiques used antique ferrari price sales. In different times when manufacturers, namely Porche and Ferrari purposefully limited availability to drive prices and dealer games, that imo was brand erosion and opened the market to viable competitors. It always amazes me that otherwise successful people love being made to stand-in line and drop on their knees, but politicians love S&M and the wealthy love being told they cant have something, its some type of masochistic streak in humanity. Inn any event there are real shortages now and dealers can charge what the market will bear. In a year or two when interest rates are 5,6,7% and all the old retired boomers have bought their enough gotta have it toy's the market will be different and one may be able to get deals. if ya gotta have it now, ya gotta pay the price and take whats on offer, free market 101. Personally the only car I envy and regret not being able to get is the T33, thats actually something special, from asthetics to size to weight to powerplant to performance. pretty much the synthesis of every great car before(starting with the GT40 alfa T33 etc etc) taken to the apex of what's possible with todays materials and tech. Pretty much everything else is an overpowered overwrought Gt (compensating with acceleration grip and nannies to flatter), maclaren ferrai Audi lambo, they're all heavy hugely powerful not really lithe or light and pretty much the same, one looks maybe better than the other, and on paper one is notionally faster than the other, for the road one is not really a significantly different experience to the other, you're buying brand and how you feel about it and where you think that puts you in some pecking order. The MC20 looks better than most, its on the lighter side but not really light but still frankly a Gt with a fancy TTv6 engine that sounds meh. The car though does have serious evolution potential in a way say the C8 vette never will because the Mc 20 is not starting out 500+lbs too heavy or too big and its stiff with great suspension. The serious new sportscar today is a Cayman GTS for road or GT4 Rs, neither of which are production limited according to porche. Its quite possible Maserati will develop this car into something more buttoned down and potent, hopefully still classy without hey look at me wings and purchasable at msrp for under 300k. That would be the pick if you're going up the scale from a Gt4Rs, cause the masser is exotic in a way the porche never can be, the MC20 simply looks great, its stiff and all the bits are there.
Thanks to everyone for the conversation on this thread. Regarding pricing, it’s simple. I don’t make the market, I just live in it. People are currently paying $100k over for MC20’s. So that’s where it is priced. This car happens to have a particularly high MSRP due to all the carbon fiber.
Yes, definitely. Some do sell their vehicles and/or pay off the loan before maturity. (There are no prepayment penalties)... But for those who know how to make their money work harder elsewhere, it can be a no-brainer. A lot of business owners and investors want their toys without tying up capital.
Agreed. The method used for paying for a car should be determined on how well you can allocate capital elsewhere.
Lots of people can easily make 2/3% per week on the stock market. So if they play with $100k, they make the payment for that Maserati in a week.
10 years of 50% compounded growth on starting value of $100k = $5,776,503.90 $100,000 x 1.5^10 10 years of 150% compounded growth ofn starting value of $100k = $953,674,316.40 $100,000 x 2.5^10
