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Discussion in '360/430' started by AandSC, Nov 23, 2020.

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  1. Mario Andretti

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    How often would you change/ flush the F1 fluid? Not possible without one of those pricey scanners like Dan did it in his video , no?
     
  2. flash32

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    The best way to do this...without a tool ..is let the system depressurize (,over night or longer ) ..keep hatch open and then suck as much fluid out of reservoir..and replace exactly the same amount ..go for a nice drive shifting all gears and making some.turns .. repeat 2 or 3 times .. once a year or every two years depending on mileage



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    So as easy as loosening the reservoir cap over night, sucking out as much fluid as you can the next day, refilling the same amount...drive repeat a couple of times? That seems almost easier than using the tool in a way.
     
  4. flash32

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    Yes...not as complete ..but even " Dan" didn't do the complete job ..he left the dead end aide of the actuator not flushed

    Natural fluid dynamics will cause the older fluid to slow back small amount of time ..so if you do this every year and then on the third or fourth Sona true flush/bleed removing actuator you will be golden

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  5. Mario Andretti

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    Thanks; so when you say "depressurize" you mean just opening the reservoir cap slightly so pressure is released ?
     
  6. flash32

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    One thing ..if you track or out alot of miles the fluid could be "cooked" near clutch ..

    But majority of us put a few hundred or thousand miles and doesn't really need to do a full flush every year ..and again a full flush includes actuator

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  7. flash32

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    No.. the system builds pressure when you open the doors .. so you want to let it sit overnight without opening door or turning key .. so you leave hatch open as well over night

    The alternative is to release pressure using relieve screw ..but wanted to make it easier

    The purpose is have the least amount of pressure is so fluid is at the most high in reservoir

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  8. AandSC

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    Finished up my third annual service. Only took me two days this year. Nothing out of the ordinary but my transmission mount is just starting to degrade, so I’ll replace that during my next annual. Gives me time to buy the press kit. Took the time to detail the suspension and inner wheel wells. Hard to believe it’s a 14 year old car. Clutch wear at 31.5% at 25.1K miles. Hoping for another year of driving with no unscheduled maintenance.
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  9. colorfull

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    Beautiful detailing. Love the board!
     
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    Thanks John! I find the board keeps me on track and makes me more efficient.
     
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    Please tell us how you got the aluminum suspension so clean and shiny?
     
  12. colorfull

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    Great technique Allen, I need to do it this way. Considering what you normally do I'm not the least bit surprised to see that you're so efficient.

    I basically do one thing at a time to avoid screwing, up this is better!

    And I am also interested in how you got those control alarms so clean.
     
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  13. AandSC

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    I use Griot’s foaming engine cleaner and a scotch brite type brush to clean the suspension components and then use Griot’s engine detailing spray to try and prolong the shine. When I get some time next fall (when it’s cooler) I’ll actually use a rotary polisher and a compound to get them shinier. Yes, I know I have OCD issues. I love a detailed undercarriage and suspension.
     
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    #89 AandSC, Feb 27, 2023
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    I chose an F430 over a 360 with one of the primary reasons being the timing belts. One of my local FCA brothers @deebo wanted to take on the timing belts on his 360, and since I’ve done a few other timing belts, figured why not? So we made a few weekends out of doing:

    - Timing belts
    - All fluids (oil, gearbox, brakes, coolant, power steering). We did the syringe out and refill method as my Launch won’t do an actuator bleed on his 360.
    - New accessory belts
    - New spark plugs
    - Fixed the battery retention strap to accommodate a taller battery
    - Installing a better battery tender
    - Fixed a rivnut in the passenger floorboard - first time to install a rivnut…..very satisfying
    - Replaced missing and stripped fasteners
    - Replaced motor mounts
    - Fixed a leaky rear cam seal
    - Detailed as we went
    - Reset PIS

    Josh’s 360 is in really great condition, especially considering it’s 22 years old. It was interesting that previous shops elected to overlook some service items (original gearbox filter, original hydraulic tensioners, some clips and fasteners not replaced). I enjoy taking the time to bring the car back to factory specs.

    One interesting item was the belt hydraulic tensioners were fully extended after 10,000 miles and three years. I think that lends some data to belt change intervals, but I can’t say how the previous belts were checked for tension.

    Got me warmed up for my upcoming annual and was fun hanging out while we worked our way through the servicing. We took a lot longer than someone like @Rifledriver but we were very methodical and triple checked everything we did since we don’t have Brian’s experience with the 360.

    Big thanks to @imahorse for loaning us a couple tools needed for the belts!

    Some pics of the evolution.

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  15. imahorse

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    Glad I could help
     
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    Awesome post!
     
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    The methodical approach you take which is evident based on the white board is just AMAZING!

    May I ask please, what year is your F430 and what Colour is it, I like that Colour (Canadian Spelling)
     
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  18. AandSC

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    Thanks Carm! The white board helps keep me on track.

    It’s a 2008, Grigio Silverstone. The color looks a bit darker in my garage than in the sun.
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    If there is an award for 'Cleanest wheel well', I think you just got the trophy. HOW did you clean every last spot! and how long did that take? I spent a good couple hours on mine and could not get it that clean.

    remarkable.

    Does it look like that under your engine bay panels?
     
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  20. collegeboy

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    DIYer here. I was 16 years old when I took my 300ZX Twin Turbo, that I saved up working at Arby’s since I was 14 years old to buy, to a shop to fix a sputtering engine and no brake pedal feel. They said $5,000. The brake calipers needed to be swapped because they are super rare (Readily available at Autozone at the time), and the entire engine writing harness needed to be replaced. At that moment I learned how to work on cars myself all the way to pulling engines. You know what the two problems ended up costing me to fix? $5,000? Nope. $40. The front calipers were on the wrong sides so the bleed nipple was on the bottom. Obviously it needs to be on the top. The brakes were fixed. Then I bought two coil pack harness connectors and learned how to cut the old ones out and soldered the new ones into the harness. Shrink wrap and all. Running on 4 of 6 cylinders was fixed. This was a very reputable shop also and really nice looking. I learned to not trust any of them that day.

    til today I am still a DIYer. Part out of necessity, but also because I have never been impressed with the work from shops. None of them. Dealerships, and smaller shops. I’ve always found issues I am not happy with. I am a firm believer that as long as I know how to do something, I will take my time, follow all specs, and clean things before and after, better than any shop. Are there things I won’t know how to do or won’t have the time to do? Absolutely. At that time, I will do my research and take my car somewhere highly recommended to be worked on. I will try my best to do it myself before that though, but only if I am 100% certain I can do it correctly.

    Last reason is because there is a pride in doing the work in your car yourself. “Anyone” can buy a car. But to be the one that maintained it top notch is something to really be proud of in my opinion and is more than half the fun/pride.
     
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    Sonax wheel cleaner gets mine perfect every time!!! This stuff is legit!!




     
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    Thank you @E60 M5, I can really use that on my other car wheels for sure

    I was referring to the fact that Allen got every screw, clamp, surface, even the ridges of the rubber accordion covers spotless, that must have taken some doing

    This pic is from his post


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  23. AandSC

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    Thanks John! Here’s a pic of behind the engine panels and a couple of behind the front bumper, because I’m obsessed with keeping the car like new. These are at 25K miles. I am lucky that the previous owners also took very good care of this 430.

    Simple Green, metal polish, ceramic car wash and Tri-nova UV protectant are my go-to products. Once clean it takes about an hour per corner to keep looking good, even if I’ve been driving in the rain.

    Not for everyone, but I like the results.
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  24. cavlino

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    Allen, that looks GREAT! Having a Hoist in the Garage for doing those detail tasks and the DIY service is Priceless.

    Please show pics of the Jacks you use at some point :)
     
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