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  1. Bas

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    Yes I agree with that...but we are 5 races in, there are teams that have spend more than both Ferrari and Red Bull...and even if the extremely high 75% figure was accurate, what's the report supposed to say? "Red Bull has spend money...they're allowed to spend"? It's a ridiculous waste of time and frankly speaking, reeking of desperation already unfortunately.

    Formula book-keeping...

    I'd much rather he kept his mouth shut, bring his Spain upgrades and do the talking on the track. Time for games like this can happen at a later stage. This is ''flexi wings 21'' all over again.
     
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  2. Bas

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    Yes all teams are audited.

    Last year there was also a budget cap. Mercedes tried every trick in the book to stay ahead, so if they could ''get'' RB on spending, they would've done...
     
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  3. ingegnere

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    Almost every other team has protested/demanded something this year, so why should Ferrari be any different to protect their interests?

    We had McLaren, Alpine and others protesting the Haas/Ferrari arrangement; again McLaren and Merc (and others) complaining about the floor used by Ferrari at the post-Imola test and FIA oversight on tire test days; the floor stays allowed by the FIA were protested by Alpine; the 3 kg weight increase allowed was protested by Alfa; etc., etc.

    As regards cost cap, it’s only the 5th race, yes, but both RBR and Merc have already fielded major upgrades as well as a steady stream of upgrades so I think it’s legitimate to this up for discussion—especially if is beneficial to clear up grey areas early in the season for planning purposes.
     
  4. Bas

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    Red Bull hasn't had a major upgrade yet...
     
  5. jpalmito

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    The floor they brought to Bahreïn test which solved their porpoising issue was a major one.
     
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    Well, back in 2019 Red Bull couldn't shut his mouth about ferrari engine...maybe it's payback time...you know this game is played on two chess boards, on one hand, you try to out develop the competition, on the other, you try to hinder it!
     
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    So it's a sport, a business, and . . . . a chess game!

    Hmmm . . . . I may not have that in the proper order.
     
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    it's time to do the math
     
  9. ingegnere

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    Right - not only the floor but the whole lower section of the side pods as well as the top (ramp) of the side pods have been changed already since the intro of the car. Also, from what has been written, the rear suspension was changed at the same time. So pretty major changes, I would say.
     
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  10. jpalmito

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    A major global change indeed.
     
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  11. jpalmito

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    If the new floor for the Ferrari works as previewed it could be a major step for the team.
    When people are talking about 3 tenths gains/lap it means nothing in fact because a more efficient floor could unlock bigger performance than that.
    One could imagine this is 1 second/lap gain in race pace because of the combination of tyre efficiency and drag reduction.
     
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  12. ingegnere

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    Different/slimmer sidepods; new floor; new brake ducts and new wing:

    https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-ferrari-in-spagna-pance-piu-strette-per-ridurre-il-drag-e/10305826/
     
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  13. Bas

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    Ferrari has also brought more than one floor...they just haven't used it yet in the race as it didn't work as intended. The money is still spend.

    But the suspension layout was the same, no? Since there is no more hydraulics, or FRIC, or anything like that...surely all it can be is a different damper spec.

    The reality is that yes Red Bull runs more of their upgraded stuff but in reality are only 1 or so genuine new parts ahead of Ferrari (specifically the tighter sidepods).

    The other upgrades have basically been reducing of weight but the same parts essentially, so no new tooling required, just a different way of carbon layup/type of carbon used.
     
  14. DeSoto

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    I can't remember the figure, but the other day I read how much reducing one kilo cost and it's A LOT.
     
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    $250k
     
  16. pilotoCS

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    A lot? Wow. That's a lot!
     
  17. DeSoto

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    Yeah, a lot, go figure! :D

    I meant: someone above said that many Red Bull upgrades were "just" weight reduction, but that alone is not so easy and cheap as it looks.
     
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    I don't know how they will check the budget cap but for now the rythm of new parts brought by Red Bull and Mercedes is fairly comparable with 2021 ..
     
  19. Bas

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    Too much weight (...) is hold onto that figure. If a part is made lighter but the overall spec doesn't change, so no re-tooling is needed, the cost is far lower. Carbon fibre layup and different types of carbon can easily be the answer for reducing of weight. The reason for heavier (initial) weight can be as simple as learning more about the car, a part not flexing as much as thought or added a few extra layers for strength reasons (see the Alpine at the time new engine cover, it was made too weak and ripped itself apart the first flying lap they did in Bahrain), so it's not a simple saying that every kg saved is 250K. Red Bull was among if not the heaviest car of them all, so of course the first kilo's are much easier (cheaper) to find and get rid of than the last few.
     
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    Serious question, are just making all of this up? Ferrari has used 2 floors this season, the Bahrain spec and the original. I don't understand your "didn't work" part, what floor didn't work? The new floor coming in Barcelona was always planned to be introduced there.

    Are you sure you're not Dr. Marko's fchat account; next you'll probably tell us how Sainz's crashes have cost atleast 10 million $.
     
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