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  1. LC488GTB

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    #1 LC488GTB, May 24, 2022
    So I was wondering, I have a 488 GTB that did not come with the factory backup camera. Does anyone know If I can simply purchase the factory back up camera with the fog light housing for it and plug into the harness.

    Have the body control module or whatever module necessary to program the camera into the system and I am good to go?

    I assume the main harness will be there to accept the backup camera so its simply getting the parts plugging it in and some programming from an authorized Ferrari facility.

    By the way this is in the US.

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    #2 adamellisdj, May 24, 2022
    A lad I know got this done on his 458 by Ferrari. Was £12,000.

    Unless money is no object, I would get use to the sensors.
     
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    #3 LC488GTB, May 24, 2022
    Your friend got taken for a ride.....the camera with the new fog light housing and the harness costs $1,200 here in the US.

    Unless you require a different body control module or a different infotainment module the cost of the parts are that.

    Labor to reprogram is what an hour or two max? 12,000 pounds is absurd......but hey I could be wrong.
     
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    #4 adamellisdj, May 24, 2022

    Yeah he was absolutely crazy. But it was Ferrari UK that installed it. And to keep all oem and within the warranty, that’s the cost it is here in England.

    Camera
    New rear bumper
    Wiring
    Ferrari over priced labour
    Screen etc
     
  5. pninja005

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    #5 pninja005, May 24, 2022
    Depends on the wiring in your car. Your dealer can check this with VIN.

    I asked and price was crazy so I purchased another 488 (with camera).
     
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    #6 LC488GTB, May 24, 2022
    No something does not make sense...you do not need a new bumper at all, you only need the fog light cover with the camera mount and it comes with the camera.
    Camera also comes with the wiring to plug into the harness and there is no screen it comes up in the infotainment screen.

    Anyway, I just don't know if one requires a different module or its simply a feature reprograming issue.

    I come from a long line of Porsche ownership over the years and there it was always a simple reprogramming.....
     
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    #7 adamellisdj, May 24, 2022

    If you say so buddy. The 458 has a hole drilled into it in the UK. He needed a new bumper which I think was £6k +
     

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    #9 LC488GTB, May 24, 2022
    488 is a totally different setup than the 458. [emoji1360]



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    #11 LC488GTB, May 24, 2022
    Ferrari dealership parts manger tells me the wiring harness is the same for all there are no options for with or without parking cameras. Therefore he said it’s a simple plug into the harness. He is going to check for me as to whether or not certain modules come with or without parking camera options and get back to me. [emoji1360]


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    #12 pninja005, May 26, 2022
    Fingers crossed that works. Over here (europe) they told me that the wiring loom was different.
     
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    #13 duskybird, May 26, 2022
    I'd be surprised if the harnesses were different having multiple versions for the same vehicles ads to the cost of manufacturing.
     
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    #14 ridege55, May 26, 2022
    I was told the same by the service and parts manager at my dealership. They said the wiring harness is bespoke to each 458, so if it was specced without a camera, it did not come with the wiring.
     
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    #15 duskybird, May 26, 2022
    Unfortunately it looks like the dealer was correct. There are multiple front and rear harnesses available for the 488 some listed specifically for the cameras.
     
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    I can only speak for 458 but my car was camera specced but took a rear hit. The camera was crushed but the cable that attaches the camera to the module in the console was fine. I've tried for a solid year to find a new or used camera. Ferrari has been backordered on the cam for two years as Alpine is no longer providing this obsolete system to them. Used dismantlers generally won't separate it from the bumper. We are ass out.

    I am working with a local car stereo shop who will use an updated modern hi-res camera and modify the "rca in" to work with the female din plug the oem cable connects to. The camera will fit in the oem location and will be non distinct from an oem set up, but with far better image resolution, at a tenth of the price.

    I need to get him the car so he can check the resistance of the oem camera cable to see whether it is 3v, 6v, or 12v so we can match up the correct replacement unit.

    At the end of the day you may want to do all OEM and not use a cheap Chinese made license plate frame system off Ebay, I get that but understand that the oem system is made by Alpine and rebranded for Ferrari. The technology is from 2010's and by todays standards, obsolete. The need to stay with unavailable oem part numbers for yesterdays technology at prices that are worthy of being referred to as gouging, is all beyond me. We have three choices...to have the image portrayed on the head unit screen, the rear view mirror or WiFi'ed to your phone. In my mind to "keep it oem" simply means to transmit the signal to the head unit. Thats it, thats all. Who cares if the camera it self is the outdated Alpine unit Ferrari had them provide - that retails for $1500 even if they had one for us.

    What we're talking about here is a difference between a $200 solution with a much improved camera or a $10k retrofit, where at the end of the day won't match your build sheet anyways in terms of originality to the factory spec.
     
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    #17 LC488GTB, May 27, 2022
    In the US, Ferrari parts person shows one part number for the rear bumper wiring harness (317562). There is nothing that shows one harness with and or one without the camera.

    However, its not going to be so simple to retrofit a vehicle without the rear camera option (if you want to maintain OEM) because you need to add the camera control switch into the lower dash (321123) which then requires you replace the lower dash trim to accept the mounting of the camera control switch.

    Then there is still the issue of is there a different ecu for the infotainment system with and or without camera. Parts manager is going to look up a VIN on a 488 GTB that has the camera option and see what ecu part number comes up vs a car without the camera option. That's the last piece of the hardware puzzle.

    Again this is all US based and for a 488 GTB. Can't speak to other markets and certainly not the 458. So we shall see.
     
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    #18 duskybird, May 27, 2022
    Like I said earlier I'd be surprised if there was more than one harness due to cost. There are several listed as replacement parts.
    I'd still like to do it if it's reasonable.
     
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    #19 LC488GTB, May 27, 2022
    I agree, there are a few rear wiring harnesses but they are for different markets the USA version is only one.

    Without the potential for having to change out the infotainment ecu the parts come out to about 2K if your lower dash trim/finish is what I will refer to as standard. If the lower dash trim is an upgrade or unique color etc (mine unfortunately is) then parts manager tells me its a custom order and as of right now it can take up to 6 months or longer to obtain which is what it is I guess.

    Once I hear about the ecu I'll post.
     
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    Can anyone identify this connector? It is the connection used for a 458 rear camera. Not wanting to splice the wire, I am desperately trying to find the male part of this 7 pin square. Molex?

    I suppose if I cant find the mate, I could stuff pins into the leads but wanted a PnP if possible.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    I plant to retrofit a modern, cost effective, hi-res camera to our archaic lo-res system with the correct resistance not to trigger the nag light.
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    Did anyone have success with this?
     

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