296 GTS Pricing and Options Sheet ...

Agree that it sounds like the options were a change to the base with a price increase. They increase the base but threw in some options. You have to pay it anyway and the options are thrown in whether you want them or not. So if you did it’s about the same, if you didn’t now you have to get them and pay more.

The better way to think about this and reconcile it is that they changes the base price of the car, and with it changed the included options list.

 

I did place a deposit not knowing the prices. Here is hoping what I see in this thread.

 

That is almost nothing compared to the new price.

 

If you order a new Ferrari the options you choose will be normally at least 30k, but then you can change a lot of things to your taste. But even if you order a Mercedes or BMW of 80k you will to add also at least 20-30k for options and you can hardly adept the car to your own taste. If you go for a new Lambo or Bentley you will also have to pay still a lot for quite normal options. If you cannot pay that, then you should not shop in that segment.

Sportscar manufacturers are also downsizing the motors now, V12 are becoming rare and obsolete, in a lot of countries you have to pay much more tax on it if a car consumes more petrol, so in the future more and more turbo V8 and V6 will come, with turbo's they are becoming more powerfull then the older V12's and are cheaper often also. A Ferrari V12 car 812 cost still much more (in my country at least 30%) then the 296, but has less horsepower and is not faster. The 296 seems also to be nicer to drive. By the way a Ferrari Dino had also a V6, and is now an expensive collectors item.

 

Most automobile manufacturers across the globe have committed to full electrification by 2030. Sports car manufacturers will try to delay the inevitable as much as possible by adding turbos (which most models already have) and adding electric motor(s) to ICE like 296 / SF90 in a hybrid setup. 296 may only have a 6-cylinder motor but emotionally all reviewers are saying it is akin to F8, and it has more power and is also faster. In the not-so-distant future, someone is going to crack the formula to introducing emotion into sports EV's. THAT would be having the cake and eating it too. Until then, let's take 296 or whatever else Ferrari can dish out with an ICE.

 

In Germany costs a V6 - 296 GTS 314.000 Euro. The 812 GTS with a V12 starts at 324.000 Euro.

That's the reason I cancel my GTS order. The price is to massiv and they want more profit for the share holders. I don't want to go this way.

 

Not sure if this will help anyone but I drove a 296 on track and I have to say on track it’s amazing. I’ve driven the sf90 which feels like a boat in comparison. It kicks but the 296 just feels like an enhanced F8. I’m glad Im ordering one and the GTS is calling my name thought the GTB is still cool.

 

That is not a lot of ask by Ferrari for those options. If they were requiring a full carbon diffuser or interior that would be something else.

 

So 400+ for a reasonable spec to drive a V6 hybrid?
Now I wish I could go back in time and order an 812.

 

What does the number of cylinders have to do with anything? Yes, a N/A Ferrari V12 is the best car engine ever built, but the 296 is quicker and nimbler than an 812.

 

Nothing necessarily, but asking 400k for a 6 cylinder hybird in which those batteries will fail in 10 years seems ludicrous to me. I dont see this turning into a collectors item.

296 should have been priced closer to the F8 IMO. You are free to disagree.

 

interesting. just specced my GTB and was given a base of 312,968. Not a huge difference but still… they also are charging over $12k for blue TDF paint which my SA thought would be included when we designed it. also have a deposit on the GTS but haven’t heard anything about price yet and can’t spec them yet either.

 

I hear what you are saying, but its become obvious that management has decided they can take the entire line up to a new pricing level. Judging from the interest in the 296 they have no problem, makes you wonder where the new V-12 will be priced, I think it could be eye popping based on what is happening with the 296 series.
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Bare in mind, the pandemic uptick in secondary market values and the manufacturers witnessing what people are willing to pay over MSRP is the realization that they are undercharging for their products. That’s where flippers who are simply buying to speculate screw true enthusiasts. I expect all these cars from supercar manufactures to only go up in price now regardless of the engine cylinders or displacement. Which sucks, but what are you going to do.

SF90 Stradale to Spider has a ~$50,000 difference. I think the GTB to GTS will be comparable. Most dealers in the US are requiring a GTB purchase to even qualify for a GTS purchase. Ferrari knows the GTS is the more desirable car for most. GTB’s will all go for sale in the secondary market and should hold MSRP as it seems there will be plenty of buyers who simply were not able to get one with the back log of order books being full.

 

It seems that they are pricing their products according to their performance. The 296 has some 110 CV more than then F8.

 

It's also country dependent - in France the latest F8 were sufffering a 40K euros tax price penalty, which makes the price gap between F8 and 296 similar to the old one between 488 and 458 at the 488 intriduction, and far less than the initial F8 / 488 gap.

 

I was told the GTS is 16% more than GTB, that’s about 50k USD. My initial calculations are about 475k USD for a reasonable spec, only slightly less that what my 812 GTS is costing me, and it’s a very well specified car. I’m not sure I want to do this, maybe it’s time for me to consider classic Ferrari’s and wait for full electric in a few years..

 

Not having carplay would more than likely hurt resale more than the cost. Also, carplay is now standard in all Ferraris, and pricing reflects this. So many order it that Ferrari apparently decided to make it part of the base deal. It is not your dealer, it is just changes. Delivery is always added to any car, so not really sure why that would come as a surprise.

Not entirely sure why 6400 Euro worth of options would be a dealbreaker on a car you say will be optioned at 350k total, especially when some of them will have an effect on resale.

As someone who has an SF90 and 812 GTS, I can understand why the 296 GTS is closely priced. I have not driven the 296 GTS, but if it is as good as those who have, say it is, then I think it's a better value than the 812GTS. If you think the 812 GTS will be as fun and exciting as the 296, you are in for a surprise. I like my GTS a lot, but it is not a fun thrill machine like the mid engined cars. I mention the SF90 here because it is so incredibly focused on being fhn ti drive, and apparently the 296 even more so. If I hadn't a TM F8 on the way, I'd do the 296 in a heartbeat, and I'd choose it over the 812 GTS if it was my only Ferrari.

You also mention an Aventador. I suggest you go and drive one. It feels as big, heavy and old as it is. That car felt dated when it launched as in so many ways, it is a Murci underneath. And unless you are a short guy, you won't fit properly.

You have the chance to buy what could possibly be one of the most fhn and engaging Ferraris created in the past two or three decades. According to you, you now cancel it because of 4k Euro? That does not really make a ton of sense to me. Yes the V12 is cool, but there is more than that to a good car. As a proper drivers car, I have zero doubt as to which is the better car.

Just curious, but do you actually have an 812 GTS allocation available? Order books have been closed since October and while there are a few orders out there waiting to get finalized, they are few and far between - not to mention expensive.

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Just a quick add on. Your pricing is a bit al over the place.

You say 310, 314, 318, 350 and even 400k later on.

We can agree that the "new" base price including Carplay, ADAS, sensors etc. is the 314k correct? The 350k is your initial configuration, which would then amount to 354k + shipping with the new standard items. So something along the lines of 356-358k total shipped and ready to roll. Remember that shipping would also be applied to an 812, and so would Carplay and ADAS. Both are as,said before, now standard.

When you do your math, you have to factor in this.

Just curious, but when were you quoted 324k for the 812 GTS? I'm asking because price have increased since last year. So if that 324k price is an older price, it is not that now.

It's all about comparing apples to apples.

Base price between an 812 GTS now and a 296 GTS will hardly be 14k Euro, much less 10k.

I for one would be interested in how your 350k option sheet looks like?

Is this your first Ferrari or exotic?

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I canceled my 296 GTS order. No more words needed. Three of my friends do the same or don’t order.

 

Apologies if my posts were a bit overbearing. That was,never the intention.

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Wasn't the Murcielago based on a steel space frame with some carbon reinforcement, thus being a totally different car to the carbon-fibre monocoque Aventador? Also totally different engines.

 

I wasn't talking about the chassis per se. The engine is basically an evolution of the that engine. The single clutch gear box is also an evo of the Murci system.
What I mean is that technically they are not very different.

 

Okay, I get what you are saying. The V12 though was a completely new design (oversquare cylinders and different firing order, to name a few), even though one could argue that a V12 is a V12...

 

Hey,

In New Zealand, the base price of the car was increased, but CarPlay is still an option and not included. Does this sound correct or should I be asking if a mistake has been made here with my car?