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  1. Bob Parks

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    Wrist deep in making soup yesterday afternoon I was startled by the sound of an approaching big recip and I was unable to rush outside to see what it was. It was great to hear one again since all the museums moved to Spokane. We always had a B-25, or some other thunder-maker coming over the house on final so this one brought back some good memories. What I heard was "DOC", the B-29, on long final for BOE where it is parked in front of the Museum of Flight for tours and flights. I didn't realize how much I missed hearing and seeing the old stuff. C-152's are about as exciting as boiled strawberries.
     
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  2. Bob Parks

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    Okay, a slip of the brain. Not BOE, but BFI. Boeing Field International. Those R 3350's on Doc are a lot louder when they aren't running thru the turbo chargers that have been removed.
     
  3. johnei

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    I had the good fortune to be outside in the Magnolia neighborhood of Seattle to watch "Doc" fly overhead this morning. Unfortunately, I was a bit too slow to get a photo. Definitely sounds unique and impressive in the skies of today. Looks like the Seattle leg of the tour is over, but there are some other upcoming appearances in the western half of the U.S.
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  4. johnei

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    It made another pass this evening ...
     

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  5. Bob Parks

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    We live at the north end of Lake Washington in north Edmonds and Doc has flown over three times now at fairly low altitude and the sight and sound brings back many memories. What a great machine! Haven't heard the sound of those big engines for years now. Thinking back of my flight in FIFI when the P-51 " Ho Hun" was 25 feet from us in close formation...and I didn't have a camera. Still a wonderful memory.
     
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  6. Ak Jim

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    Why did they remove the turbo chargers?
     
  7. Bob Parks

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    They are not flying at higher altitudes or hauling heavy bomb loads anymore.
     
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  8. tazandjan

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    Hard to maintain, too, and puts additional stress on the engines from the boosted airflow.
     
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  9. Bob Parks

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    I made some rough calculations and I estimate that they saved about 450 pounds per nacelle by eliminating the turbos, support structure, ductwork, and controls.Tremendous amount of ducting to get the supercharged air cooled and to the carburetors. Two turbos per engine and they are big and heavy and require their own oiling system. Lots of maintenance like Taz said.
     
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  10. BJK

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    Fuel burn cut by approx. .... ? o_O
     
  11. tazandjan

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    Probably not. Superchargers and turbochargers can actually improve consumption at low boost levels.
     
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  12. Ak Jim

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    Is it a big project to remove them? Maybe some applications didn’t have the turbos and therefore there are parts already available for the removal as opposed to having to fab up the new intake and exhaust systems minus the turbo.
     
  13. zygomatic

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    A few years back I talked to a couple of Fifi's maintainers and they said it was for exactly these reasons they removed the turbocharger: lower stress on the motors and easier maintenance.
     
  14. Gatorrari

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    I doubt if any of the U. S. heavy bombers currently flying have had functioning turbos since their respective restorations.


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  15. Bob Parks

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    I think that you are correct, Jim. No need for them now. I looked up some data on them and the latest model , the C-23, weighed 245 pounds, earlier models were bout 145-150 pounds. With a bucket wheel spinning at 24k rpm , the maintenance was critical and expensive.
     
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