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  1. miurasv

    miurasv F1 World Champ

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    RM Sotheby's details of auction in link here.

     
  2. italiancars

    italiancars F1 Rookie

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    So from the listing we can assume it was the 2.9 that has been sold.
     
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  3. amenasce

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    What about 0456am or 0402am?
     
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  4. 375+

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    2.9 was a done deal shortly after Amelia.
     
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  5. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    Slightly easy answer. Jon Shirley won Pebble Beach twice over the past decade with both his Alfa Romeo 8C2.9B and #0402AM. In 2021 he sold them to Europe (Italy via Simon Kidston?) and in return got a 8C2300 Monza and an unknown sum of cash. The deal was certainly not large enough to value it at anywhere near $100mm.

    The fact remains is despite being fabulous cars even the 375 Plus is simply not that valuable with even the 375 Plus offered at Bonhams in 2014 fetching $20 mm USD. So even if we take a growth in the market of 100% and another value modifier because the 375 Plus had issues (100%) we end with $80 mm. Meanwhile 375MM can be pegged by the ex Kimberly Pininfarina Spider selling for $9.075 mm in 2013 and the Ghia Coupe offered at RM in 2019 for between $5 - 7 mm. Either would require such an increase for quality and timing as to be preposterous. And for that matter the later 290MM, 315/335S and 250 Testa Rossa are all known as being very well engineered, road worthy and sexy as hell such as that cars made prior to 1956 and post 196 are at a disadvantage. I am guessing somewhere more like $30 - 40 mm are more realistic
     
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  6. miurasv

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    #82 miurasv, May 22, 2022
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    In 2014 Bonhams sold 375 Plus #0384 for £10,753,500 GBP (US$ 13,409,546) inc. premium.
     
  7. amenasce

    amenasce Three Time F1 World Champ
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    And 0816?
     
  8. miurasv

    miurasv F1 World Champ

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    Don't you mean probate?
     
  9. Marcel Massini

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    There is NO such receivership. This information is plain wrong.

    Marcel Massini
     
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  10. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    Cool, point noted. Hope you are well
     
  11. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    Possibly. Who knows.
     
  12. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    If remember correctly, an amount around the $35 - 40 mm USD mark when sold in 2018. It was a far more specialized piece of kit than the Testa Rossa's and I cannot imagine anyone actually driving it on a road so much of the potential fun of ownership must be considered. As must a certain design angle and while I personally like the early P car styling it lacks the curvaceous beauty of Scaglietti's best work.
     
  13. miurasv

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    250 P.

    Body designed by Pininfarina and built by Fantuzzi.
     
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  14. readplays

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    Sale was 2018. At that time based on pound/dollar exchange, this was equivalent to US $18.3MM.
     
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  15. miurasv

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    375 Plus #0384 sale = 27th June, 2014.

    See here.
     
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  16. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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  17. Marcel Massini

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    This "0899 GT" has been shopped around the planet for six years now.
    The red book states "complete new engine produced by Ferrari Classiche/Ferrari SpA in 2012", GP12, 128 C, 0354 C. "GP" stands for "Genuine Parts" and the "12" is the year 2012 when the new engine was built.
    New body built 1987 to 1990, new body rectified by Classiche in 2012. Differential non matching.
    A second car using the same number "0899 GT" exists in France.

    Marcel Massini
     
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  18. Marcel Massini

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    TDF time in Monterey?
    There will be no fewer than three (3) 250 GT LWB TDF Berlinettas available at the various auctions in Monterey this August.
    I wonder if this is good or bad?
    Scratching my head......

    Marcel Massini
     
  19. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    It's a tricky one. With the downturn in the worlds stockmarkets (S&P 500 down 19% since the SOTY, NASDAQ down 28%) there will be a lot of cash money searching for a relatively liquid home. OTOH does three of the same car offered over a weekend flood the market? I would guess not in this case since they will be quite different cars with different appeals. #0899GT needs to be sold for whatever its worth and as an entry level TdF with obvious needs (as noted) but also a ticket to all but the very best events both a hard sell and potentially a good buy but at perhaps 30-50% discount from a good example. Say $3 - 3.5 mil would make it a good buy and get rid of the thing. Its Mecum so it could fetch more, especially if the bar is open long enough?
     
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    I've got the fever for one pretty bad lately and plan on attending..
     
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    I was thankfully talked out of it by a very respected fchatter - so the search and journey will continue !
     
  22. 375+

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    Mecum has not been terribly successful with sales of collectible Ferrari.
     
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  23. Marcel Massini

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    Very nicely phrased.

    Marcel Massini
     
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  24. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    Much excitement over the last few days with Gooding announcing the Bill Wonder collection of mainly sports racing cars, Bonhams also announcing various interesting cars. RM has trumped all though with the announcement of the Masterworks of Design collection. This collection seems to have some connection to the Blackhawk museum in Danville, California. Indeed much of this collection has been a mainstay of Bonhams auctions over the past five or so years and certainly the Alfa 8C, Bucciali and Mercedes have all been displayed in the museum and offered by both. Here they afford RM a third evening and perhaps 30 cars that should hit the million dollar mark. I haven't included Mecum who remain somewhat oblique with their offerings but the highlights (anything reasonably expected to sell for over a million) so far announced are:

    1930 Alfa Romeo 6C1750GS 8513025 Bonhams
    1933 Alfa Romeo 8C2300 2311212 RM
    1938 Alfa Romeo 6C2300B 915053 RM
    1955 Alfa Romeo 1900C SS Berlinetta 130800891 RM
    1975 Alfa Romeo 33/TT/12 ? Bonhams
    1964 Aston Martin DB5 DB5/1681/R Broad Arrow
    1931 Bucciali TAV3 1147 RM
    1928 Bugatti Type 43A 43-233 RM
    1932 Bugatti Type 55 55-219 RM
    1939 Bugatti Type 57C Aravis 57-798 RM
    1939 Bugatti Type 57C 57-838 RM
    1939 Bugatti Type 57C Roadster 57-769 RM
    1938 Bugatti Type 57C Atalante 57-767 Bonhams
    1930 Cadillac V16 Roadster 701432 Gooding
    1926 Daimler 45HP "Star of India" 23729 RM
    1965 De Tomaso 5000 Sport SP5000-001 RM
    1930 Duesenberg Model J 2380/J-362 RM
    1953 Ferrari 375MM 0366AM RM
    1957 Ferrari 500TRC 0706MDTR RM
    1957 Ferrari 250GT Tour de France 0619GT Broad Arrow
    1959 Ferrari 250GT Tour de France 1161GT RM
    1961 Ferrari 250GT Cabriolet SII 2683 RM
    1965 Ferrari 275GTB 7177 RM
    1966 Ferrari 275GTB/C 9067 RM
    1992 Ferrari F40 91097 RM
    1999 Ferrari 333SP #025 Gooding
    2015 Ferrari LaFerrari 208568 Broad Arrow
    1924 Hispano-Suiza H6C Tulipwood 11012 RM
    2019 Koenigsegg Regera ? Broad Arrow
    1969 Lamborghini Miura P400S 4170 Bonhams
    1936 Lancia Aurelia 33-5313 RM
    1955 Maserati A6G/54 Zagato Spider 2101 RM
    1957 Maserati 200Si 2427 RM
    1958 Maserati 450S 4509 RM
    1959 Maserati 3500GT Spider AM101*678 RM
    1968 Maserati Ghlibli Spider AM115S*1001 RM
    1935 Mercedes-Benz 500K Saoutchik Roadster 123696 RM
    1935 Mercedes-Benz 500K Sport Roadster 123692 RM
    1935 Mercedes-Benz 500K Sport Roadster 130857 RM
    1936 Mercedes-Benz 540K Cab A 130941 RM
    1936 Mercedes-Benz 500K Cab A 408388 RM
    1937 Mercedes-Benz 540K Spezial Roadster 154075 RM
    1938 Mercedes-Benz 540K Lancefield DHC 169317 RM
    1938 Mercedes-Benz 540K Cab A 189391 RM
    1939 Mercedes-Benz 540K Cab A 408371 RM
    1939 Mercedes-Benz 540K Spezial Roadster Rep. 408398 RM
    1939 Mercedes-Benz 540K Spezial Roadster 408383 Broad Arrow
    1955 Mercedes-Benz 300SL 198.040.5500784 Gooding
    1955 Mercedes-Benz 300SL Alloy 198.043.55.00383 RM
    1957 Mercedes-Benz 300SL Roadster 198.042.7500038 Gooding
    1963 Mercedes-Benz 300SL Roadster 198.042.10.003188 RM
    1938 Peugeot 402 Darl'mat Coupe 705536 RM
    2015 Porsche 918 WP0CA2A12FS800485 Broad Arrow
    1965 Shelby Cobra 289 CSX2547 RM
    1938 Talbot-Lago T150C SS F&F Teardrop 90117 RM
    1947 Talbot-Lago T26 F&F Cabriolet 100109 RM

    And lets not forget there are still eight weeks to go!
     

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