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355 355 5.2 Fuel pump Bosch part number 69535

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  1. EFerrari34

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    Good afternoon,

    I have found various companies that list that this fuel pump is “in stock.” However, none of them truly have it. My order has been entered for 90 days & I’m still being told that Bosch has the order but will not make it.

    I wanted to ask if there is another fuel pump part number that can be used on a 5.2 355?

    Thanks in advance




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  2. Tridentecavallino

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    According to my notes Ferrari #140317 used for 348/512 TR/F355 Motronic 5.2 is a Bosch 0 580 254 011.
    Good luck.
     
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    Thanks to you both. I called Pegasus & they weren’t confident that their High pressure model would work even with a regulator. They are trying to see if they can get a 69535 from Bosch. That is the Bosch part number in America. The 044 number is used in the UK. There are six different part numbers for the 355 fuel pump. It is a bear to find. If anyone knows of a source for the fuel pump; please let me know. I can get a NOS fuel pump with the Ferrari part number in the UK for $1300 (I know that a few other Ferrari part suppliers have it listed at a lower price but they can’t get it apparently).

    I’ve sourced some VERY difficult to find 355 parts & am surprised that this has been so difficult to find. There are three stores online that claim that they have 69535 in stock, but they don’t. I’ve had orders in with Vivid Racing & Summit for 6 months.

    Thanks for your feedback; if anyone has additional information please let me know. I’m trying to avoid buying the Ferrari pump, but If I can’t find the 69535 in the next few weeks that’s what I’ll have to do.




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  5. EFerrari34

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    Thank you. That’s the UK part number according to Bosch. The US number is 69535. I can’t find it with any part number (there are 6); except through Ferrari. The pump is less than $200 new if you can find it. Versus $1k+ for the same part NOS from Ferrari.

    Thanks very much for your help.


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  6. taz355

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    How did you know it was the fuel pump
    What did the car run like/??
     
  7. m.stojanovic

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    I don't think Bosch 0 580 254 011 is available anymore. Eurospares are selling "140317" pumps at GBP 350 but it is not clear which Bosch number it is.

    Bosch 0 580 254 023 (Audi 200 Turbo) seems very similar to 0 580 254 011 and it is available at ~ $130-200. It seems "nla" (no longer manufactured) in Europe but some USA and Australian sellers are still offering it, including on Ebay (one of them is T.I.Performance, a reputable Australian company). The Audi pump has the same diameter and operating pressure as the Ferrari pump. Its flow is higher, 168 l/hr vs. 011's 128 l/hr.

    The electrical terminals of the 023 are M6 and M5 whereas 011's are M5 and M4 so you would need to change the eye terminals for positive to M6 on the loom (the negative is M5 on both). 023 also has different outlet adapter (with M10 thread) and 011 has M12 adapter (with a check valve) so you would need to use the adapter from the old pump or buy a new one (they are available separately).

    I have not had a chance to physically compare 023 with 011 but the info in the Bosch catalogues suggests that they can interchange. 023 also has 1 rib on its body and 011 has 2 but I don't think there would be any major issue with its mounting into the rubber bush.

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  8. Tridentecavallino

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    That's funny.
    Digging in my huge F355 parts storage I found a new Bosch 0 580 254 011.
    My pump has flat contacts an no stud bolts. Maybe the number 452 which is also seen on the label is a sub variant. Stud bolt variant is the right one.

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  9. m.stojanovic

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    Very interesting. Possibly a "special edition"; or maybe made under a special order by Ferrari for one of the models that uses this pump? The Bosch catalogues that I have show that this pump is only for Ferraris - for Mondial, 348, 355, 412 and 512. Perhaps 412 or 512 used the spade terminals?
     
  10. Tridentecavallino

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    Hmmm. I will move it to the museum section. Maybe this special version was used in a Lunochod moon car.
     
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    I’ll post photo’s of the pump when it gets here. I’m expecting it to have the Bosch part number engraved at the bottom. I did find two companies that list a direct interchange number with the Bosch part.

    Fispa- 70997
    Meat & Doria -76617

    They claim to be OEM parts for various Alfa Romeo’s, Fiats & Lancia.

    I obviously went with OEM; but these two Are listed as direct replacements for around £115

    I found them at autodoc.co.uk

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    Meat & Doria 76617 is available from Spareto at EURO 100 (GBP 85) when exported from the EU. However, this pump is actually not a direct replacement for the OEM Bosch pump.

    Bosch 0 580 254 011: Working Pressure 5 Bar ; Flow 128 l/hr ; Diameter 60 mm
    Meat & Doria 76617 : Working Pressure 3 Bar ; Flow 130 l/hr ; Diameter 53 mm

    Since Meat & Doria has 53 mm diameter, it would require the rubber mount 144232 ("for 053" pump) which used to be available some years ago from Eurospares but may be hard to find now.
     
  14. Targatime

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    Ok, so is the Fispa correct?
     
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    Meat & Doria, and probably also Fispa, mainly just pack parts from various manufacturers into their fancy boxes. The Meat & Doria 76617 pump that I bought from Spareto came in a Meat & Doria box but it is actually Bosch 0 580 464 997, made in the Czech Republic (it appears that Fispa is also Bosch). Some are selling this pump as Bosch 0 580 464 997 but nobody I have looked at is showing a Bosch box for it. The irony is that Spareto are also selling this pump as Bosch 0 580 464 997 at EURO 78 (so, Meat & Doria box costs EURO 22).

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    Please choose which box would you like it to come in.

    This pump is designed for 3 Bar working pressure so it has no margin above the 348's 3 Bar fuel system (3 Bar FPR) pressure. A 3 Bar pump may be ok as it is certainly capable of delivering somewhat higher pressure than 3 Bar but it will not be at the declared 130 l/hr. Anyhow, it is neither equivalent to nor direct replacement for the 5 Bar Bosch 0 580 254 011. And it even has smaller diameter making the installation somewhat problematic.
     
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  17. EFerrari34

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    Here is the final story. The original pumps in your car were made in Germany. Bosch D/C’d the pump around 2012. Apparently, they sold the tooling to make the pump & it is currently manufactured in the Czech Republic exclusively for Ferrari. It is stamped in the exact same way it always has with the exception of the country of manufacture. As we all know; the pump is impossible to find elsewhere. Bottom line; you can still get the pump from Ferrari (and nowhere else).

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  18. Zamboniman308

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    I think I'm going to be in need of 1 soon. There was a Lancia part that looked similar enough but needs more research and not sure it's any more available regardless. Retrofitting the generic Bosch FP200 may not be a bad option to pursue.

    With the unobtanium Bosch parts, over the top fuel line costs.. Before this is over I feel like I'm going to end up fully custom from the pump, regulators, all the way to the rail :rolleyes:. At least I'll sleep well at night knowing its serviceable and the lines are ethanol resistant rather than hoping.

    Let's be honest.. ALL 355s are going to need or should be strongly thinking of replacing these items at this point.. ticking timebomb.. Maybe I should assemble a kit when it's all done.
     
  19. Targatime

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    My 993 fuel pump went to 150K miles, and it's basically the same item. These Bosch pumps are pretty reliable and I'd be surprised if there was a spate of 355 pump problems given how little people drive their 355's
     
  20. Zamboniman308

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    I was more thinking the rubber deterioration... and likely similar going on internal to all the lines.
     

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