Rock 'n Stroll . . . The Stroller Thread.

I think that Larry is selling(or sold) St. Jovite?

 

Ah. Then he must build another or just rent tracks

 

Funny how you'all are so focused on Lance and whether he wouldn't be better off leaving the sport.

Meanwhile the German press is all over Mick questioning his role in F1

I bet Lance will still be in F1 when Mick is long gone (to DTM I presume).

 

We all know this.

Lance has a hobby in F1 because daddy owns the team.

Mick's days are numbered.

 

Yup. Last I checked Mick was hired by a team and he's not a pay driver. Few people are jumping in Mick's defense. Just about everyone is saying he needs to improve or leave.

 

Fixed it for you.

 

That might be technically correct but we all know how he got into F1. Let's be realistic here.

 

Of course, his name helped a long, long way.

I think Mick is competent but he's not looking to set the F1 world on fire. In F2 it looked much the same, btw. Leclerc, Hamilton, those 2 set the world alight in F2 and Max in F3.

I think Mick has a definite future in racing, but I have strong doubts if that is in F1.

 

I understood Mick Schumacher was placed at Haas, in exchange for a discount on the cost of the technical support Ferrari provides.

Technically he may be on Haas payroll, but we know Ferrari pays for it. I have no qualm about that but the results are not fortcoming.

 

Not just the name (and yes, he started under his mother's name but everybody knew who was under that helmet) but also the entire environment, knowing everybody, having the connections and ultimately the money from his dad to get started. Racing is expensive at any level.

Agreed on all. And again I'm not hating on Mick. I wish he had some points by now. But it irks me to no end when people dump on Lance and on Lance only. Go pick on Latifi for a change!

As for the pay driver argument: Yes, Mick gets paid (not that I know for sure but I assume) but that's the whole Ferrari connection where I'm sure again his dad and his last name played a big role. And if we want to be really technical: IIRC Lance actually gets paid too. I thought I heard/read somewhere that he is being paid a driver's salary by Aston Martin. I know, left hand feeds right hand, but still.

 

Some teams and drivers have been struggling with this new formula. Latifi is clearly out of his depth in F1.

I think that I saw a salary of $10 million for Lance? Quite an allowance. Lance has shown that he is competent but not much beyond that. Seb is convincingly outperforming him. Isn't this is 5th season in F1?

 

To be fair on Mick, he started a lot later with serious racing because of his dads' accident. He's always taken it easy.

Yes he had his dads' name and connections to rely on. He won the F2 season on merit and that led to an F1 drive. Last year he did very well but against an unknown. Right now he's in a brand new car (as is everyone else) and a few big names are struggling, including Hamilton, Ricciardo and our own Sainz. I find the current F2 candidates pretty weak so it's not as if Mick is holding up a seat for a future Max.

As for Lance's salary. I mean. Dad owns both companies so I'm not taking that serious.

 

Again, don’t understand how a driver like Piastri isn’t in Formula one yet.

 

He was already 14 by the time of the skiing accident. Had nothing to do with his racing career, which began years before that.

As for taking it easy: Some say he was pulled out of F2 too early.

 

Doing well in junior categories is no guarantee of success on F1; there are many examples of that.
F2/F3 are specs series where you don't necessarily acquire setting up skills, and there is no car development.
In junior categories, you are among peers, roughly of the same age, same experience level, etc ..
Arriving in F1, you are confronted to at least 12 (15 perhaps?) of the world best drivers, with years of experience, development skills, familiarity with the technical aspects, etc ....
Increasingly F2 graduates don't land in best teams, but among the tail enders with limited budget, and less resources.
The first years are gruelling and often bring no reward. Some lesser team prefer to recruit a pay driver to balance the books rather than one of the promising F2 drivers.
Then you have teams offering "test driving" or "development driver" roles to the best prospects, which often block their career.
What's the point of Piastri signing with Renault, if they it means spending years in a simulator, I wonder.
He could do better looking for a test drive in Indycar perhaps? Many F1 neglected drivers, are doing alright across the pond.

 

He did very little karting before the accident. At the time of the accident and the year after, very little karting once again and then moved to F4. He can't have been pulled out of F2 too early, he won the championship, therefore he's not allowed to enter again.

 

Ah cool. Piastri might as well give up then.

What an insane comment.

 

Not that I'm an expert on Mick's career by any means, but here is what Wikipedia has on him and his early karting career. I wouldn't call that "very little karting":

In 2011 and 2012, Schumacher drove in the KF3 class of the ADAC Kart Masters, ending in 9th and 7th respectively. In the Euro Wintercup of the KF3 class, he was 3rd in 2011 and 2012 and in 2012 was 3rd in the KF3 Rating DMV Kart Championship. In 2013 he finished 3rd in the German Junior Kart Championship and the CIK-FIA Super Cup KF juniors. In 2014, Schumacher used the name 'Mick Junior',[13] and started in International and National Junior Championships, ending the season 2nd in the German Junior Kart Championship[14] as well as in the European and World Championships.

Ah, ok. Didn't know that rule.

 

So with this way of thinking neither Hamilton,nor Verstappen Prost Senna wouldn't had a chance to prove they were generational talents..
When i see M Schumacher or Stroll driving in Formula One i clearly believe this is a wrong bet by the team managers.

 

You take issue with all my posts now? I was just making a statement.

I didn't say he should give up, but there is no need to raise expectation.

IMO, signing for Renault isn't really a big deal. It's not really a very successful team, is it?

Piastri may be farmed to another team perhaps, or have to wait for Alonso to retire.

 

Mick shouldn't be in F1 but his team manager gets Ferrari support, so he is right to have him.
Stroll and Latifi fathers pay for their sons, so those team managers are right to have them as well as it pays for the team.

Don't blame the team managers. If you wish, blame the powers that be.

 

Ron Dennis was right to put the rookie Hamilton in one of his car in 2007 isn't it?

 

It's that rule that is killing many careers. F2 lives in the shadow of F1.

You must move on if you win the F2 championship, and many teams will not re-sign you if you finish among the top 3 anyway.

Since many F2 graduates don't find a seat in F1, they linger for a while, lose their sponsors, give up or look for a job in one of the GT series.

 

but.....but.....but....Lewis Hamiton says F1 shouldn't be a place for rich fathers sons???
Surely he must be right since whatever spews out of his mouth is treated like gold.

Yes, let them race in F1 but they will be scrutinized to a certain degree by FChatters to compare and contrast against their team-mates.

 

That's exactly it...
Lets compare that to say Max Verstappen...who drove and won every karting championship under the sun. Schumacher drove mostly regional championships.
The ADAC series Schumacher drove was only 5 races long, for example.
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