812 Replacement Rumors

Here is a link to said information https://ml-eu.globenewswire.com/Reso...0-c3f925bfa379.

 

https://www.ferrari.com/en-US/corporate/articles/ferrari-capital-markets-day-2022?amp=true

 

Absolutely, 167 has absolutely nothing to do with SP 4 !
You want it, you will get it.

 

But....will it be unassisted NA V12?

(I keep trying!! )

 

Capital Markets presentation last week strongly indicates no hybrid V12 in development. Therefore reasonable to assume 812 successor will be unassisted NA V12.

 

“…you want it, you will get it.” Taking it to mean it won’t be just a special vehicle available to VIPs. Looking forward to whenever it gets announced with excitement

 

Those days are gone my friend

 

I never read any such comment can you provide specific quote

 

So no new V12 in the pipeline.
V12 typo F140 for iconas and PS.
F167 last front engined V12.
Am I right ?

 

F167 front engine: V12 with mild hybrid. Then perhaps no more V12 except icona series

 

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I was being facetious
900hp for a road car…bonkers!


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Well that does seem encouraging. Thanks for posting!

 

Exactly. Only V6 and V8 listed under Hybrid section.

This makes it quite clear that all V12 currently in development, ie Purosangue, 812 Replacement, will be unassisted NA V12, or as Ferrari puts it ‘Pure V12.’

 

I see mention of Hybrid V12 is excluded which is IMO for competitive purposes since they'll be launching it next year

 

this is the actual situation . Are you sure this is the future?

 

Not completely sure how this must be understood but for starters there is no ICE only V6.

 

Well... if the "summer intern" didn't make a mistake when creating this chart... so a V6 (turbo) engine without hybrid?

 

I understand it as indicating the potential powertrain options for the future, not what they currently have on offer.

 

My interpretation of these slides is as follows:

1. Non-hybrid V6, V8, will potentially continue for the near and intermediate term and would be for more entry level GT focused models such as Roma, Portofino successors.

2. Hybrid V6 and potentially Hybrid V8 will be offered on performance focused Sport models such as 296 and SF90 successors.

3. All V12 to be NON-HYBRID for the next 5+ years or long as any multi-year plan can contemplate.

4. Next SUPERCAR will NOT be a V12. It will be HYBRID TTV6 or HYBRID TTV8.

5. Also, when I combine what I see on slides with comments from d355, I think it is highly likely that Purosangue and 812 successor will be last regular production V12 of ANY kind as far as current management strategic planning contemplates. After that, the V12 will see only limited use on Iconas or other special limited edition collector series they might produce, no regular or Versione Speciale V12 after the Purosangue V12s are done and the 812 successor and its VS editions are done.

 

May I remind you regarding your point 1 that non-hybrid V6 still does not exist. And unlikely to exist later as all future cars will be hybridised except for maybe upcoming next V12 as a concession to history.

 

Not clear. That graphic doesn't address natural aspiration versus forced induction. There are no NA V6 or V8 in production. If you are lumping them all together then that would imply V12 would be turbo like the V6/8 which they said they would never do. Also unclear is that hybrids contain ICE engines. Another graphic that serve no purpose. Beginning to wonder about the marketing department at Ferrari. Engine layout is pretty simple and they are going out of their way to be ambiguous. Ferrari makes engines but apparently can't be clear about it.