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  1. Mitch Alsup

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    That is why the current F1 engines get stuck in a <near> current weight F1 chassis.
    The 3.0L N/As get stuck in a chassis 100 KG lighter (to make up for the lack of power)
    The 4.0L N/As get stuck in a chassis 150 Kg lighter still.

    I can accept that.

    If you have 1,000 HP in 700 Kg car this is equivalent to 850 HP in 600 Kg and 780 HP in 550 Kg.
    {Note: motorcycle production engines can get 200 HP/L so a 4.0L race engine based on M/C technology should be there to deliver.}

    Also note the 700 Kg chassis might have to pit for tires while the 550 Kg chassis might not. This alone averages out to a bit over ½ second per lap.
     
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  2. Bas

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    #52 Bas, May 19, 2022
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    My ideal formula would be a developed 3.0 V10 on the synthetic fuel (since we have to stay realistic). BMW at the time said if they continued to develop their V10 they would get it down to 82KG if memory serves, and that's a 950hp engine that had to last 2 weekends! Frankly, amazing. They didn't even have direct injection or the current level of fuel know-how.

    Current V6 and all anchillaries weighs what, 160kg?

    Lighter cars just look faster on track as well...

    I'd like to know what the V6 would weight with a simple turbo system, without all the batteries, mguH and K and ancillaries, mind you...
     
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  3. william

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    I don't think we have to aim at 1000hp to have good races. 750hp is adequate, IMO
    The more power you have, the more problems with traction that force designers to create more downforce to control it.
    Also with high power you have to beef up all the components, carry more fuel, etc ... and make the car heavier. 600kg should be the target.
    No adverse to a NA V10 that could be controled through a rev limiter or a ban on pneunatic valves.
    One has to limit excess and keep the car simple: nothing too exotic, no expensive metals, no costly process,
    The limits on aero should make the galopping costs during a season a thing of the past.
     
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  4. Mitch Alsup

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    This is why I set different weight limits. Basically, as you apply more and more technology, you are saddled with more and more weight.

    Banning all aero means that wind tunnels, CFD, and the personnel to use these vanish.
     
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  5. Mitch Alsup

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    As long as the fuel is obtained from a random filling station within 50 miles of the track, I don't care if it gasoline, ethanol, or synthetic.
    The requirement is that the engines are tuned to work on ANY fuel that happens to show up.
    This also serves to limit engine advancements.

    makes getting to 600 Kg a lot easier.

    So would I, but we never will.........
     
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  6. Borrow’d Mine

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    Nascar died from over exposure IMHO. Was all you could get on cable. Too many races, too long races, dumb 1/2 mile track races that lasted 3 hours. After a while, everyone figured out - watch the first 10 laps and the last 10 laps. Miss nothing. And, there are more interesting races occurring in different series but back in the early 2000s and 2010s all you could get on the was NASCAR. And worse, they had two equally overexposed junior series (Busch and Trucks). Just sayin.


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  7. FerrariCognoscenti

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    $1000 bleacher seats in Miami was pretty outrageous.


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  8. Bas

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    I couldn't care myself either, but so long everyone keeps giving in to environmentalists, a compromise has to be made...
     
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  9. william

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    Aero could be so restricted that it would be pointless to spend millions in it, or keep changing elements.
     
  10. E60 M5

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    To stay on post topic, my daughter has a lot of college friends into F1 because of Netflix only!!
    Some of our friends have turned to avid F1 fans as well because of the show, crazy!!!
     
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  11. Shorn355

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    My friends/co-workers in the UK loved the Miami race but made some fun of the stuff like the motorcade and helmets and fake marina but just wrote that off to it "being American" - same as we write off bland food and bad teeth to "being British" :) All good fun but overall from the feedback I get is the UK folks like there being races in the US- They like COTA but find Texas boring - they are psyched about Vegas.

    Just what I hear/heard from people who have no reason not to be candid- Cheers :)
     
  12. spirot

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    Aero is all part of road cars. I am not in favor of cars in F-1 that have zero relevance to sports ( exotics, hyper etc.) cars on the road - my 599 makes under body aero I would never want my road car to generate more aero than a current F1 car. as it is my road car has more power than a 1980 F1 car... that in itself is shocking.
     
  13. spirot

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    F- 1 will likely not return to specialist builders any time soon. I like the big companies in even if they come and go. unless there is a company that builds a power unit ( ICE and Hybrid drive ) all together that can work in F-1 you are going to to need the mfg's. I've never liked the spec feeling of when it was all Cosworth etc.. always liked the variety.
     
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  15. tritone

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    And the big corporate money is going to expand that.....
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    And additional rumor that netflix will go head to head with their own film, building on the series....all in advance of Vegas......
     
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  16. Bas

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    Excited for this. If Pitt has a role anything like his "the big short" character this'll be ****ing awesome.
     
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    Lewis Hamilton is one of 4 producers to be involved.
     
  18. DF1

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    Its why I dont watch. News to Horner I guess that its a 'drama' lol and just a useless reality interpretation of F1 and frankly 'cheapens' it in my opinion. The short attention span world needs it I guess.

    Horner: "Element of theatre" in Netflix-filmed F1 team boss meeting

    Christian Horner says there was an "element of theatre" in the Formula 1 team boss meeting that was filmed by Netflix in Canada amid the row over porpoising.
     
  19. Ferris Bueller

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    I blame Netflix for all the new quasi fans in Montreal this year.
    If I hear one more person explaining the rules and strategies to someone else knowing that they are completely wrong I’m gonna pull my hair out!
    If you only could over hear what I heard all weekend. It was pretty comical.
    Cars doing 260 -300
    mph on straights.. Not Kilometers but MPH! I guess NASA is making F1 engines now?
     
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  20. pilotoCS

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    Oh c'mon. What's wrong with a bit of exaggeration among friends?
     
  21. Ferris Bueller

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    Haha! Yea I just laughed to myself
     
  22. BartonWorkman

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    Agreed 100%.

    Until recently, F-1 has always had that sort of rare-air mystique about it. The drivers were dashing and brave,
    they let their driving do the talking. We didn't know about their personal lives. We didn't want to know about
    their personal lives. Mystique is sexy and leaves you wanting more. Besides pricing itself out of existence,
    F-1 Information overload and Super Bowl-like hype for each race is predictable, boring and over the top.

    F-1 has become a 24/7/365 dog & pony show (as Nigel Mansell called it) with all the social media nonsense.
    We saw a taste of what they go through here in Miami for a solid week straight. Imagine being a driver, working
    your way up through the ranks, finally arriving at the "pinnacle of motorsport" only to be a dancing monkey for
    brain-dead idiots with the attention spans moths on Tic-Tok, Facebook and Instagram every waking second.
    Amazingly, Ferrari is unquestionably the worst culprit.

    And, as Rob points out, the NASCAResque over exposure will cheapen the product so instead of billion dollar
    luxury brands as sponsors, the Walmart culture will take over and the cars will look like identical crap-wagons.

    Friends point out this Netflix "Drive to Survive" thing, "Isn't it great, don't you love it?!" Dunno, the whole thing
    kind of leaves me cold. Why do we need to know what every driver and team manager is doing all day every
    day? And what about this Guenther Steiner guy dropping the F-bomb every two seconds like a petulant second
    grader who just learned the word? Jesus man, you're in Formula One. Get a fooking vocabulary.

    The sex appeal and mystique of F1 is gone. Imagine kids today seeing these images played over and over
    ad-nausea until they just become one long note. In the long term, the new F-1 fans today will be on to the next
    thing that makes a splash on social media in an instant and F-1 will have to find another new audience.

    And, as soon as I'm through the final season of "Peaky Blinders", Netflix is getting cancelled.

    BHW
     
  23. spirot

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    I kind of agree with you - but F-1's audience is no longer me - or Netflix program is not me. I'm already sold. what they are missing is how to they handle the legacy fans? what's in it for the "real" long term F1 fan who knows a lot and remembers all the old stuff. I would say nothing. even when you get to the Paddock Club its still a show business. It is shocking the number of people I've met at the Mercedes Paddock Club that have no clue about F-1 - out of 300 people maybe 100 have any idea - and usually those are others in racing.... the target audience is the people who are used to Tiktock etc... and they like and need 24/7 content - these people forget things if its not constantly in your face... that is what the Iphone society has become. they are competing with other equally dumb stuff....
     
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  24. rob lay

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    That's my experience. I almost can't blame them for falling on their face, it is like partying you enjoy while it lasts, but you know it won't and you will feel like crap later. I think the influx of all these Netflix fans is hugely profitable right now and they can't help not ignoring it. To be honest us old school fans aren't that profitable. I think they can depend on most legacy fans sticking through the ups and downs, I'm not certain as their cost structure rises to meet all this demand what will happen when the music stops.
     
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  25. spirot

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    The only fan F1 cares about is TV stations - and air time. if it was shown to an empty room - but it was paid for that is all they want. Its the ad rev from Aramco, Rolex, et al... that matters. I go with Monster - and Literally, Mercedes could care less. I know the crowd strike guys- and they get treated like crap.... so when the music stops - it may just be its turned down.
     
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