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  1. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

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    The low-key F1 upgrades Ferrari brought to the British GP
    Ferrari made a number of changes to its F1-75 for Formula 1’s British Grand Prix as it bids to fine-tune a car that has been consistently at the front in pace terms.


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    Rather than seeing the need for anything major to be overhauled on the car, it’s clear that the focus is on steady gains - having both taken note of what its rivals have been up to and delivering optimisations on an already race-winning package.

    Starting with the mirrors, Ferrari had already made a subtle but meaningful change to the inboard stalk at the Azerbaijan Grand Prix (small inset).

    Back then, the attachment point was exchanged for a buttress-style solution that some of its rivals had either employed since the start of the season or moved to in the time that’s intervened.

    It is something that we’ve seen other teams employ already, and makes use of the two surfaces combining to create a shedding surface that will ultimately propagate a vortex.

    The design introduced at Silverstone takes this a step further though, as the outboard mirror stalk has been moved further inboard. This gives room for the inclusion of two additional fins to be added to the underside of the mirror housing, both of which will create vortices of their own.

    The sidepods have also been treated to some alterations, as Ferrari looks to optimise their shape in order to improve efficiency.

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    Ferrari F1-75 sidepod undercut comparison

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    As can be seen in the comparison, the new sidepod bodywork has a tighter undercut than it did before, which starts with the bodywork being more tightly shrink-wrapped to the inlet. It then follows a more figure-hugging approach as the bodywork reaches down and around the sidepod's shoulder.

    Ferrari had brought forward one of its developments in Canada to assist Charles Leclerc in his attempts to make his way back through the field after power unit penalties had consigned him to starting at the back of the grid.

    To put into context the difference in the wing specifications, Charles Leclerc was 11.4km/h quicker than Carlos Sainz in the speed trap and 6.6km/h faster over the finish line.

    For Silverstone, both drivers had this new rear wing design at their disposal, which we can see in the comparison of the wings from Canada, below. It is fundamentally a lower downforce configuration, not only by virtue of the upper elements but also the beam wing elements below.

    In terms of the main upper wing elements, we can see that the central portion of the wing is depowered by virtue of the mainplane being shallower. This also results in a shallower transition to towards the endplates.

    However, you will note that the upper flap is deeper on the new specification wing due to that transition and the offset required for DRS, given there can be a gap of up to 85mm when deployed.

    The lower of the two beam wing elements has been revised the most in terms of the overall shape, but it is clear to see how the upper element has also been trimmed in the outermost section to help reduce drag.

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    Ferrari F1-75 rear wing comparison

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  2. 635CSI

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    To improve the mood, we need to smash those drafted drink cans at home this weekend.
    A victory will be a huge psychological advantage over the summer, particularly for the drivers.
    I think we have to remember that Charles is very young man, he is not at the level of maturity that Michael was when he came to the team.

    If we are behind the bulls, well, it’s not Game Over, but the pressure on the drivers to keep their heads up (and the car development team) will be huge.
    Still, that’s elite sports for you.
     
  3. jpalmito

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    Nothing is lost.
    Like Lauda said to a depressed Prost in 1984 ( because of reliabilities problems) :
    Alain don't look backwards, just look in the future !
    He was right, we have plenty of races to recover (13) the lost ground.
    In addition to that, the new FIA directive could be very well a problem for the RB18..
     
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  4. Senad

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    Explain , please
     
  5. Bas

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    I think the new TD will do more harm to Ferrari than RB. Ferrari porpoises quite a lot whereas the RBR doesn't. Ferrari and RBR are among the teams accused of flexing the floor. RBR have allegedly changed this already in the silverstone upgrade to be fully compliant.
     
  6. jpalmito

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    Frankly Bas nobody knows the outcome of all of this ..
    We are just speculating for now.
    Red Bull lost no performance in Silverstone with a floor less flexible ?
    Wait and see.
     
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  7. jpalmito

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    With the car Ferrari has, they just have to focus on themselves and fix their own weaknesses.
    Which means remove some incompetent people from the strategical decisions during races.
     
  8. spirot

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    I don't know who is doing what - which is think is the real problem. If its Elkann - come out and pick one. this is classic Ferrari they wear down a great driver.....

    Fangio, Surtees, Bandini, Ickx, Lauda, Villeneuve, Alboreto, Prost, Vettel, and now Leclerc.... its slow and grinding.... each of the drivers noted got screwed by Ferrari and Politics outside of racing. Villeneuve and Alboreto were slowly wasted... for Villeneuve it was 82 and the Imola stolen race by Pironi and lack of support at Ferrari - the Old Man was waffling but mostly on Villeneuve's side, but Piccini and the rest ... were in love with Proni. Prost - could have won in 90, but they would not get Mansell under control... poor teamwork also in prep of the cars.. in 91 - terrible car, and fired Prost because he told the truth...

    Surtees and Bandini were all under enormous pressure - bad relationships - etc... but at the end of the day Ferrari pushed drivers to leave or make mistakes. .... for whatever reason it's toxic , and it seems to be continuing.
     
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  9. spirot

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    in 1984 - Lauda beat Prost to the Championship despite Prost winning more races, but he had more DNF's as well. Lauda methodically accrued points along with 5 wins to 7 wins to Prost. Lauda beat Prost by half a point. Supposedly on the final podium of the year at Estoril where Prost won, but Lauda finished 3rd and got enough points to be world Champion for the 3rd time, he said to Prost " Don't worry next year it will be you" and Prost was mollified by this... Prost's own account was the look forward not backward, comment.

    Regardless Prost went on to win the Championship in 85, 86, 89, & 93. He had missed out on the championship in 82, and 83 by just a few points. and in 90 he was taken out by Senna.

    I don't know what it has to do with Leclerc - but assuming the thought is there is always next year?
     
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    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Chuck wanted answers to the strategy calls Ferrari made at Silverstone.......and possibly Monaco was mentioned as well.

    Chuck possibly also wants an understanding of where his position is with regards to his team-mate and the team

    Binotto went to Monaco to see Leclerc at his hometown. Leclerc didn't go to Maranello to see Binotto.
     
  12. crinoid

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    Yes, that is a good sign from Binotto. I will say I don’t believe there was a mistake made. They handed Carlos the race win at the expense of the championship and LeClerc. Charles knows this and is rightly incensed. I don’t think there is a driver on the grid that would trust the team after something like this.
     
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  13. freshmeat

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    Why would any team sacrifice their points leader intentionally? Sounds silly, do you guys listen to yourselves when you post these conspiracy theories?

     
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  14. Bas

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    This just shows big big Binotto's **** up was. The boss flying in to his employees' home for a very public dinner.
     
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    I disagree buddy. Mistakes were made at the BritishGP with regards to strategy calls to Leclerc. Leclerc should be the lead driver as evidenced from his past......not Sainz.

    If this keeps going on with Sainz, making him the #1 driver, then I'm going to throw a conspiracy theorist card with regards to Santander......but I'll hold off for now.
     
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    On 3 everyone take a deep breath… 1…2…3
     
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  17. crinoid

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    New to F1? New to the Scuderia? History shows us that the absurd is absolutely possible and has been accomplished many times in F1 and the Scuderia. The reality of the race shows us that they chose a car to put the teams support behind. They had all the numbers in front of them and knew what they could do with both cars and conscientiously chose a path.
     
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    Ferrari did it in the past.

    You just have to look back in its history: Surtees and Prost lost championships because of team politics.
     
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    Chuck was clearly the faster of the pair even with front wing damage tells you all you need to know. Ferrari are throwing the drivers championship away as a minimum
     
  20. jpalmito

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    This is unbelievable.
    Saw today an interview of Cesare Fiorio saying that Carlos is very close to Charles and that Ferrari don’t need to chose a first driver this year..
    This guy was the Scuderia leader when Mansell destroyed Prost championship in Estoril 1990..
    Everything is said.
     
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    This is the guy that was throwing Prost under the bus while he was winning and still negotiated with that ***** Senna to get him at Ferrari even after the ***** torpedoed Prost at Suzuka.

    He’s also the guy that was touting Giovinazzi as the next great thing so not a good judge of talent I’d say. He did good things at Lancia but his Ferrari stay was unimpressive.

    In any case, in that video of LEC leaving the restaurant, he seemed less than impressed and barely made an effort to shake Binotto’s hand. Don’t blame him but looks to be the beginning of the end useless by some miracle they win a couple of races in a row.
     
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  22. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Yeah, Fioro knows a thing or two on how to throw a championship away.
     
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    Fiorio was good in 89 - and not actually that bad in 90, he had the team working well, but Mansell got his nose in a twist and thought that Prost was usurping his leadership of the team... which was true - Mansell would go off to play golf, and Prost who used to do that = would show up and test, test and test again - both getting to know the car and the team much better. had they controlled Mansell to help Prost ( difficult yes - but possible) Prost would have been the champion in 90.
     
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  24. ingegnere

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    Speaking of control, there was the story where Mansell didn’t trust the newly introduced launch control at one race so turned it off. Prost, starting behind him got a great launch but then was bogged down by Mansell in front and lost a bunch of places.
     
  25. jpalmito

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    During this year when journalists talking to Mansell and didn’t see Prost often :
    Nigel, where is Prost ?
    Answer : As always, talking with the engineers.
    True story according to Turrini.
     

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