1981 Ferrari 512 BB Chassis 33625

samsaprunoff · Jun 29, 2022

Good day All,

Just adding doc to chassis 33625 that "375+" pointed to within the following thread:

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/512-bb-on-bat.661583/

My apologies for creating another thread on this car, but thought it might be best to title the thread based upon the car's chassis number so as to make it easier for future searchers of this car's information.

The BaT BB is chassis 33625.

33625 looked to be owned by one of out members:

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/delivery-pics-365bb-17947.459776/#post-143354384

I also found a reference to 33625 being sold in 2006 by Sheehan:

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/365bb-vs-512bb.118957/#post-136032573

However, the link is now stale.

Cheers,

Sam

1981 Ferrari 512 BB
Color: Red Exterior with Boxer trim (gloss) with Black Interior
Mileage: 26479 (?)
Location: California, USA
Chassis: 33625

This 1981 Ferrari 512 BB is one of 929 carbureted examples produced between 1976 and 1981. It is said to have been sold new in Switzerland and spent time in France and England before it was imported to the US in the 2000s. It was acquired by the current owner approximately 12 years ago. The car is finished in red with black lower body panels over black leather upholstery, and power comes from a 4.9L quad-cam flat-12 paired with a five-speed manual transaxle. Features include a stainless steel exhaust system, 15″ Cromodora wheels, Daytona-style seats, air conditioning, a leather-wrapped Nardi steering wheel, a gated shifter, and a Pioneer CD stereo. An engine-out service was performed in 2021, at which time the quad Weber carburetors were rebuilt and new hoses, seals, a battery, a clutch master cylinder, axle boots and clamps, and exhaust gaskets were installed. This 512 BB is now offered on dealer consignment in Costa Mesa, California, with tools and a clean Montana title.

The Berlinetta Boxer model was introduced at the Turin Auto Show in 1971 and was styled by Pininfarina’s Leonardo Fioravanti. The car features a steel-paneled cabin section paired with a tubular chassis. Aluminum is incorporated for the front and rear clamshells and doors, while the lower panels are fiberglass. This example is finished in red with black lower body panels and is equipped with a front spoiler, a rear high-mount spoiler, fog lights, NACA ducts aft of the doors, and pop-up headlamps. There is paint loss on the front spoiler, and crazing in the paint is noted on the engine lid.

The 15″ Cromodora wheels feature three-eared knock-off hubs and are mounted with 215/70 front and 225/70 Michelin XWX tires that should be replaced due to age according to the selling dealer. A rebuild of the brake master cylinder was reportedly performed by Ferrari of San Diego in 2021 along with the installation of new brake hoses, a front brake proportioning valve, and axle boots and clamps. The brake fluid was also changed at that time.

The cockpit features Daytona-style bucket seats trimmed in black leather, which extends to the door panels, door sills, center console, and carpets. The dashboard is said to have been reupholstered under previous ownership in England in 2001. Additional features include air conditioning, power windows, a Pioneer CD stereo, and a gated shifter. The driver’s footwell carpet is missing, and wear on the driver’s seat can be seen up close in the gallery.

The leather-wrapped Nardi steering wheel frames Veglia Borletti instrumentation including a 200-mph speedometer, a tachometer with a 7k-rpm redline, and gauges for water temperature and oil pressure. Readouts for amperage and fuel level are fitted in the center of the dash. The five-digit odometer shows 26k kilometers (~16k miles), approximately 2k of which were added under current ownership.

The 4.9-liter F102B flat-12 features aluminum construction, dual overhead camshafts per bank, dry-sump lubrication, and quad triple-barrel Weber carburetors for a factory-rated 355 horsepower. An engine-out service was performed by Ferrari of San Diego in 2021 and included the installation of new hoses and seals, an oil pressure sensor, and a battery in addition to a repair of the coolant overflow tank and rebuilds of the carburetors, distributor, and starter motor. An oil change and a coolant flush were also performed.

Power is sent to the rear wheels via a five-speed manual transaxle. A stainless steel exhaust system was installed under previous ownership, and replacement exhaust gaskets were fitted in 2021 along with a clutch master cylinder.
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Newman · Jun 30, 2022

Shame about the Plymouth Volare side marker lights.

samsaprunoff · Jul 3, 2022

Newman said: ↑

Shame about the Plymouth Volare side marker lights.
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Good day Paul,

There were some that have been pushing the idea that these market lights were done at the factory... despite no evidence of this. Secondly, the speedo is in MPH which I have only seen on cars imported into the US. You would know more on both of these items.

There is also some type of jamb plates on both doors that are seen within the pics, but no close ups of them. This is too bad, as these plates may provide additional info on the above and perhaps other items.

Cheers,

Sam

samsaprunoff · Jul 3, 2022

Good day All,

Adding more info.

[post taken from seller within BaT Auction Comments]

Below is the early history on this Boxer. As you can see it has had the side marker lights since before 2000, even though at that time it had never been in the US.

1981, Aug., sold new to Daniel Luetsche, Spitalstrasse 58, Schlieren 8952, Switzerland.

1982 to second owner, Jean Francois Bitel, in France. Serviced at Pozzi, French Ferrari dealer/distributor.

1988, May, offered at Christie’s Auction, Monaco. See file for catalog write up/photo.

1991 to third owner, Kerrien J. Pierre in France. Serviced at Pozzi, French Ferrari dealer/distributor.

2000, Dec., offered at Bonhams and Brooks Auction, London, England. Lot no. 1949. Listed as sold new in Switzerland but been in France since 1990. Never in US but has US side lights. 2,000 kilometers since major renovation
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Car is now listed on the seller's website:

https://ferraris-online.com/cars/1981-ferrari-512-bb-33625/

We are pleased to offer 1981 Ferrari 512 BB s/n 33625, a just fully serviced (at a cost of $41,119.39) low mileage (only 16,376 miles) Euro spec carburated 512 BB with an amazing well documented history back to the day first sold. When first introduced as the successor to the front-engined Daytona at the Geneva Motor show in 1972, the Boxer represented a remarkable evolution as Ferrari’s first mid-engined flagship. As Ferrari’s response to Lamborghini’s stunning Miura, the Boxer did not disappoint, with the 4.4 and later 5-liter, horizontally opposed, twelve-cylinder engine longitudinally mounted in line with the transmission, giving the Boxer a low center of gravity, near the center of mass, with acres of torque and great drive-ability. Clothed in suitably rakish bodywork by Pininfarina, the Boxer was a stunner, with the carburated 512 BB representing the fastest and best sounding of the Boxer line. Today, the Boxer remains a dramatic and exciting car that is both solid yet not demanding to drive.

512 BB s/n 33625 was sold new on 03 Aug., 1981 to Switzerland before going to a second owner in France in 1982 and in 1991 went to a second French owner. In 2001 s/n 33625 went to a fourth owner, John Markey, a former Lotus 30 racing driver in England before going to an American client based in London and Portugal. In 2006 we sold 512 BB s/n 33625 for our American client (then based in Portugal) to a client in Connecticut. In 2018 512 BB s/n 33625 was traded in to Ferrari of Washington and in 2021 was sent to Ferrari of Washington’s sister company, Ferrari of San Diego, for a major deferred-maintenance service. The major internal service including a Ferrari certified inspection ($981.50); a tire pressure and tread check ($00.00); a rebuilt starter motor ($2,028.00); a rebuild of all four three-barrel Weber carbs ($7,080.00); new upper coolant hoses and sublet overflow tank ($655.57); a new clutch master cylinder and a rebuild of the brake master cylinder ($2,511.00); a sublet water overflow tank repair ($162.00); replace the rebuilt brake master cylinder with a new unit and two new brake hoses ($1,229.00); a new battery ($639.24); an engine-out major service with new oil, bypass hoses and seals ($9,773.28); new axle boot clamps ($101.10); install engine after major service plus new oil pressure sensor; exhaust gaskets and coolant ($5,312.65); replace brake front proportioning valve and flush brake system ($1,500.00); finalize carbs and ignition with new throttle shaft bushings and distributor rebuild ($7,346.05); install new axle boots ($1,800.00). Work was completed in early April of this year. The total invoice was $41,119.39 at 26,413 kms = 16,376 miles. Drop us an e-mail for copies of the invoice.

Today 512 BB s/n 33625 presents well, the body is straight and dent-free with excellent panel gaps and fit while the 41 year old paint shows well but is just beginning to craze with age. Both the fiberglass front spoiler and rear fiberglass valance are all-original and have never suffered the indignities of being miss formed with American 5-mph bumpers. There is minor road rash on the front spoiler and some minor paint crazing on the rear lid from engine heat. The Cromodora wheels are in nice condition with the wider 9 x 15″ rear “Boxer” wheels mounted with a set of Michelin XWX 215/70 VR 15 front and 225/ /70/ VR 15 tires that have good tread but are date-coded out. All lights, lenses and emblems are in excellent condition and the under-body, chassis and floor pan are all in excellent condition. The interior is all original and in excellent condition, considering that it is 41 years old. The dashboard is in excellent with no shrinkage as it has spent little time in the sun. The instruments and controls are excellent, as is the headliner and the carpets. The engine compartment is clean and nicely detailed, thanks to the recent engine-out service and detail. The front compartment is also very tidy. The windscreen washer bag appears to be new, and the spare tire well liner and cover are still in place. The underside of both the front bonnet and the rear deck lid are in good shape. The undercarriage and belly pan are structurally excellent, undamaged and in excellent condition for a car 41-years old. The engine is dry and the suspension arms and components are all in good shape. The A/C compressor has been replaced with a Rotary compressor so the A/C blows cold.

The car runs and drives well. The engine starts immediately and runs smoothly, making a unique and pleasurable flat-12 sound which is actually relatively quiet at low speeds or around town. The 5-liter flat-12 pulls cleanly, makes great power and has acres of torque. The transmission shifts well, including second gear, although the clutch is not very progressive, a feature of today’s Boxer clutch replacements. The chassis is tight but compliant and the rebuilt brakes are both powerful and effective. This is an excellent opportunity to acquire a wonderfully documented Boxer that has just had a very major service. 512 BB s/n 33625 is a cosmetically attractive example that’s a user-friendly Ferrari thanks to its just-completed extensive major service. It is complete with the briefcase tool kit with all its tools, the jack bag, the jack and accessories and the service records dating back to 1994 to support the thorough maintenance regime the car has enjoyed. 512 BB s/n 33625 is one of the last 512 BBs built, is user-friendly, market-correctly-priced and a pride of ownership Ferrari.
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Newman · Jul 4, 2022

They never came with the rectangle side lights ever. The speedo is most likely an overlay on the original face and the odometer would read kms. Would need to drive it and observe how quickly the distance accumulated.

dinogt4guy · Jul 6, 2022

Anyone else noticed the 81’BB on BAT? Only 1 day left. Currently at $200K.

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johnaz · Jul 6, 2022

Looks like it will need some work to make it a good one.

turbo-joe · Jul 6, 2022

dinogt4guy said: ↑

Anyone else noticed the 81’BB on BAT? Only 1 day left. Currently at $200K.

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please post a link, much easier for all to find

Giallo_f355gts · Jul 6, 2022

what kind of work would it need besides what they already have done?

samsaprunoff · Jul 6, 2022

Good day All,

There is an existing thread on this car:

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/1981-ferrari-512-bb-chassis-33625.661627/

Cheers,

Sam

samsaprunoff · Jul 7, 2022

Giallo_f355gts said: ↑

what kind of work would it need besides what they already have done?
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Good day,

Well, for starters... the seller states that the tires need replacing because they are old (new tires are about $1900 or so) and a a floor mat (original one is missing and so there is just the bare floor showing). Personally, I find this a bit odd, as why would the seller not do both of this items, unless they simply wanted to minimize the $ they or the owner has into the car. If this is the case then I would wonder what other things may be required.

To really assess where the car is at, a thorough PPI done by someone very knowledgeable about Boxers. Looking at the services done and the hours billed, I am not convinced that the shop was experienced with working on carbed Boxers. I say this, as I service my own BB and so I am well aware of the time required for the various services and what was billed truly amazed me and at times done almost twice. That said, the pictures do show old and cracking suspension bushings and so these will be needing attention soon. Given the suspension bushings, most likely the shocks as well. Although the shocks may not show signs of leaking, internally there are rubber seals that break down and become mush over time which plugs up the various shock valves. I did not realize how bad this issue can be until I opened my shocks up and found all of valves were either completely or mostly plugged... this certainly explained why the shocks were not working as they should.

Although the seller seems to play down potential issues with CA registration, a CA buyer would really need an expert and someone truly familiar with the CA certification process in order to tell them if it is possible and if so at what cost. I remember a past thread where a 400i CA buyer tried everything he could and in the end he was forced to sell the car out of State, as the requirements were unwieldy and would ultimately be very expensive with no guarantee of CA approval. This was despite the fact that the car met the exhaust emission standards at the time.

Cheers,

Sam

turbo-joe · Jul 7, 2022

I think until now that if a car is older than 30 years it may not need the CA regulations?

samsaprunoff · Jul 7, 2022

turbo-joe said: ↑

I think until now that if a car is older than 30 years it may not need the CA regulations?
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Good day Romano,

Sadly, that is not the case. CA has a fixed year for old cars. Cars 1975 or older are typically exempt from their emission standards. 1976 and newer have to comply... which can be very challenging for cars that were not CA compliant from the Factory... which the BB's were never designed to meet.

Cheers,

Sam

samsaprunoff · Jul 7, 2022

Good day All,

Chassis 33625 on BaT today for $235K USD

Cheers,

Sam

turbo-joe · Jul 7, 2022

thank you for this info sam always learning here more and more. have not known this

what about if you will move from another state to CA and have the car you long time registered in your name in this other state. is there an exception then?

samsaprunoff · Jul 7, 2022

turbo-joe said: ↑

thank you for this info sam always learning here more and more. have not known this

what about if you will move from another state to CA and have the car you long time registered in your name in this other state. is there an exception then?
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Good day Romano,

I am not an expert on all of this, however, from what I have read, the State of CA is strict with their rules and so no exceptions if owned elsewhere. That said, if the car was originally brought into CA a long time ago and CA issued a "BAR" (Bureau of Automotive Repair) label, then there would be hope for CA Registration with perhaps a reasonable amount of work. However, if the car was not factory certified for CA (which none of the BB or BBi's were) and there is no record of a BAR sticker for the car, then the time, effort, and cost to obtain CA registration now would be a lot with no guarantee of success. This is the reason that those in CA tend to try and purchase cars that were made in 1975 or older. So, the 1975 365BB's would be possible to be CA certified. As I mentioned it would be best for perspective CA buyers to do their due diligence on 1976 and newer BB's (or BBi's) before buying a car without the BAR label... otherwise they may have a lot of work and $ ahead of them.

Cheers,

Sam

George Vosburgh · Jul 7, 2022

samsaprunoff said: ↑

Good day All,

Chassis 33625 on BaT today for $235K USD

Cheers,

Sam
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Sheehan has had this car for a while. This is a VERY reasonable price.

johnaz · Jul 7, 2022

Not great price. Unless one does not want to make it really nice and spend what it takes to redo it to proper quality, upholstery worn, suspension bushing,etc there. Paint is not really great? Removing the side lights is costly to make it original too. Has to be higher miles car or not cared for to have the carpet worn through? think it actually brought high $$ for what it is.
John

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