Timo chill for crissake. BaT results are unverified because there is no regulatory oversight. In person auctions of automobiles have to clear the transactions through a licensed dealer in the state in which the auction is held. The dealer is subject to the oversight of that state and must comply with that state's standards and practices for the sales of motor vehicles. Some states are more stringent than others.(CA, NY, PA are pretty strict--others not so much). Any violations can subject that dealer to penalties and in extreme cases may result in revocation of the license and criminal charges. BaT has no such oversight. Even licensed dealers have a degree of separation from their states requirements because the transaction is through BaT. BaT is selling hundreds of cars a week and there is NO regulatory oversight. It is a perfect platform for nefarious players to perpetrate fraud and manipulate a market. I'm not saying that all BaT auctions are fraudulent--far from it--but I believe that some are.
As I read your post I thought about responding with how many cars (and artworks for that matter) I've purchased at major auction houses over the years which illustrate my familiarity with the process, or what the fine print of auction catalogues of all of these major houses say about their responsibilities, or how bank references at auctions don't guarantee payment, or why a seller may choose BAT with low sale costs over the percentages taken by places like RM, or why a bidder may toss out a hay maker bid to chase off other bidders, etc but then I thought, "why bother"? The castigation of the venue and no reserve approach haven't been substantiated with anything aside from arm waiving so it doesn't warrant explanation of a position until someone posts something that illustrates actual underhanded activity by the seller/consignor/bidders involved in this particular sale. In fact, it appears your aspersions about the seller may be more about the negative experience you had with them however long ago with the "inexpensive GT car" you purchased than the Dino auction. Perhaps you had/have a legitimate gripe with the dealer representing the sale, but maligning the car or forum/approach of the sale on behalf of the actual owner seems misdirected to me.
No idea who Marcel Massani is. Never heard of that guy before. Who could that be? However, I do know who Marcel Massini is. Marcel Massini
This is reasonable explanation as there are many intended wrong photos in this ad to boost count and confusion but also possible 1) Two Dinos were in a service and Technician switch panels of two cars 2) 07826 had accident and used replacement sourced 3) 07826 prior owner lost panels and used parts sourced But you saw SilverArrows go straight away to respond by Personal attacks and Name calling refuse to offer all possible. Strange behaviour. Also America is only 60% of the wine must contain the Noble grape to be called the varietal so a few wrong panels on a car is still 100% matching?
Silver Arrow Cars Ltd. doesn't owe you anything. Zero, nothing. Be realistic. Nobody talks about a few wrong panels, not even the factory. That has nothing to do with matching or not. Matching (in the classic Ferrari world) refers to chassis, engine, gearbox, rear axle, and body number. A car can be matching even if it has a complete new body. If you are so upset with Silver Arrow Cars Ltd. why don't you just contact them directly? And see what they have to tell you directly and personally? Ask for Mr Tim Quocksister, he's a nice gentleman. If you are a qualified and serious bidder/buyer I am sure they will answer all of your questions. After all, they wanna sell a car. On the other hand, I fully understand when potential tire-kickers and members of the peanut gallery are being handled differently. Marcel Massini
I dimly recall hearing about just that situation a while back. Two Dinos near one another on the assembly line getting some of one another’s panels. This was Italy in the early 1970s, these were just cars, no one cared. We are paying way, way more attention to the quality and correctness of our Dinos than the factory ever did.
Joe, No, I have no "aspersions" whatsoever towards the seller. They're perfectly bonafide, but I will not put my hand in the fire for anyone, in said business, as I have no malignancy towards this car / forum / approach of sale. My "inexpensive GT car", was only an example of an issue, not more / less. They are only useless remarks that I love to make, specially when I lack the mellifluous and 'vast and enviable experience' you have in the purchasing department: i.e. "with how many cars and artworks for that matter I've purchased at major auction houses over the years which illustrate my familiarity with the process" You are truly my humility role model, a real player and a 'specialist'. Cheers! Regards, Alberto
Yes but 07628 has many visible parts departed since restoration - so easy to see the red hazard dash light on console is now missing and did not get installed after restoration. It was there before. Many other details shown in Before photos were removed then did not arrive. Panels get changed when an accident too, buy the used replacement caveat emptor
You have no idea what you were talking about. The vehicle was never in an accident and there were not replacement panels used from another vehicle.
And the “Red Hazard Light” is a fasten seat belts light. Pretty dumb and easy enough to pop in. I have NEVER SEEN one that has ever worked properly. EVER. Sure, you could make it work, but stupid commentary.
The Restorer is in this Thread...you should address questions accordingly. I say it stays at $850 G's
Pictures 977 thru 1200 in the listing provide a pretty good indication of the condition of the car before the restoration commenced. Anyone care to comment on what they believe that car would be worth today in its before restoration condition? Final sell price - $331k restoration expense?
Another notable difference between BaT and the other more traditional auctions is the fee structure. BaT charges the "buyer" a "connection fee", for putting the seller and high bidder together; at that point, their work is done and they've made what they're expecting, with no further vested interest. The traditional auction houses have a vested interest in making sure a transaction happens, as that's the only way for them to collect their fees. I'm not saying they're free of some murky tactics, but completely fake or incomplete transactions isn't likely.
Similar to real estate that now the land is more important than the value of the house.....Now, the Cars Title is worth more than the actual car or condition!
