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  1. DeSoto

    DeSoto F1 Veteran

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    At sports cars he had nothing else to win: it was a super Formula Toyota, he already had won that. Also won at Daytona. Maybe from 2023 on, with more teams, he finds it more interesting. But one thing he knew for sure is that going back to sports cars from F1 at 43 is possible while the opposite is not, so he had to grab the offer he had.
     
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  2. 375+

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    At least he's consistent.

    By the end of his contract Aston should be folding their tents.

    The atmosphere at the team is already toxic. Birds of a feather.
     
  3. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    No shock. Utterly predictable and was. WDC for Stroll Sr
     
  4. Nembo1777

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    I think one of the reasons he left is Laurent Rossi the Renault boss is a difficult big ego guy -who forced Prost out as advisor last winter unbelievably- but Stroll senior is an ogre in comparison....

    Just a week ago there was lots of talk about Alonso moving on the the Alpine WEC effort after F1....
     
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  5. DF1

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    Yes talk before Vettel announced. No prediction of Vettel departure at all.
     
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  6. DF1

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    Hülk had no chance against FA for the seat
     
  7. DF1

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    Gasly to Alpine next!!
     
  8. Ferrari 360 CS

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    Lets face it AM is not really the team for any new young drivers.....cant have Lance beaten by a younger driver, quite acceptable to be beaten by a former WC.
     
  9. DF1

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    Yes that is the status. Stroll Sr needs a WDC to parade to investors and paddock attendee's and to star in his Aston auto adverts.
     
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  10. Nembo1777

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    No...Charles, fed up....?
     
  11. crinoid

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    Danny Ric should beg to return to Alpine.
     
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  12. DF1

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    Would Alpine want to spend the money to pay for the transfer lol??

    This seat will be interesting to see who fills it I am fully thinking Gasly. He wants out of Darth Marko World LOL :)
     
  13. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    I also think Bottas would be a driver who could compete for that seat. Alfa is a dead horse overall. If he wants a remote chance to win again he needs to leave.
     
  14. DF1

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    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/how-aston-martin-pulled-off-its-shock-alonso-f1-deal/10347143/

    How Aston Martin pulled off its shock Alonso F1 deal
    Fernando Alonso has delivered a few shocks in his Formula 1 career, but Monday morning’s announcement of his move to Aston Martin is up there among the biggest.


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    As the F1 paddock packed down at the Hungaroring on Sunday night, all eyes at Alpine were on a bit of holiday over the summer break and what were anticipated to be some brief talks to secure a new contract with Alonso.

    Team principal Otmar Szafnauer seemed relaxed as he concurred with Alonso’s remark from earlier in the weekend that it would probably take just 10 minutes to sort things out.

    “Very straightforward,” he suggested about how he viewed negotiations playing out.

    Szafnauer insisted that the big-ticket issues at the heart of a contract (including the length of the deal) were all sorted; and it was only a question of detail. But there was an intriguing pause when he was asked about whether or not money was one of the chief areas that the two parties remained wide apart on.

    He responded: “Not just Fernando. Every driver I've ever negotiated with, it's been a question of money. And other things too.

    “But yeah, for whatever reason, they want the most money and we want to pay the least. And then we end up in some kind of unhappy place for everyone, or a happy place that everyone's willing to sign.”

    Unbeknown to Szafnauer though, the wheels were already well in motion elsewhere. In fact, Alonso wouldn’t be continuing any negotiations with Alpine as he was already set on the move to Aston Martin.

    After a weekend of intense effort from both Alonso and Aston Martin to keep the deal secret, it was finally announced to the wider team and the public on Monday morning.

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    When Vettel revealed his intention to retire, Aston moved quickly to secure the best possible replacement

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    Behind the scenes, it is understood that Aston Martin and its owner Lawrence Stroll had been hard at work for several days pulling together a package that was good enough to convince Alonso to commit already, without needing to drag things on to the summer.

    It was a dramatic change of plan for the team. For many weeks, Aston Martin’s focus had been on continuing with Sebastian Vettel, but it knew that the German was evaluating whether or not he wanted to continue in F1.

    Aston Martin stayed loyal to Vettel for as long as possible but, when the four-time world champion finally informed the team hierarchy on the Wednesday before Hungary that he wanted to retire, it knew it could not sit back and risk ending up with a second-rate choice because other better options were snapped up elsewhere.

    That is why, rather than keep Vettel’s retirement intentions secret until much later in the campaign, the wheels were set in motion to get the information out there as quickly as possible. It served the double benefit of lifting a weight off Vettel’s shoulders but also making it pretty clear to every driver on the grid that there was now a clear vacancy.

    In effect, Aston Martin played its hand in flushing out the driver market to find out who was available and what the interest was. Those that wanted the seat would obviously be in touch; and Alonso was one of those.

    For the Spaniard, whose talks with Alpine had hit a bit of an impasse and needed settling over the summer, he suddenly found himself in a situation where he went from potentially getting a new contract at Alpine to definitely getting one at Aston Martin. As he had said on Thursday when asked if Aston Martin was an option: “All the teams are an option, as long as they don't have two drivers signed.

    “My priority is to be with Alpine because, you know, we've been working and developing this project together for two years now.

    “We are more and more competitive. And probably my wish is to stay. But we didn't, you know, sit down completely and move forward things. So still, everything ongoing.”

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    Alonso had publicly declared his intention to remain with Alpine beyond his current contract, but was interested when Vettel's Aston Martin seat became open

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    In retrospect, the use of that word ‘probably’ is intriguing. It is understood that, at that stage, there had been no formal talks with Aston Martin’s senior management. But, once the Vettel news was out and the possibility of a switch became a genuine option, things moved incredibly quickly.

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    From Aston Martin’s perspective, it was a no brainer to do what it took to convince Alonso to join – knowing full well that there was a narrow window of opportunity before he could maybe be lost elsewhere. Let’s also not forget there is a little bit of history between Stroll/Aston Martin and Szafnauer….

    There may have been more easily available driver options for the team elsewhere – like Mick Schumacher and Nico Hulkenberg – but they did not fall in line with the kind of ambitions that team owner Stroll has for his squad to win world championships. And in the end, while Aston Martin’s competitive fortunes on track this year are not great, it is the Silverstone squads’s ambitions that probably spoke most loudly in swinging things for Alonso to finally commit.

    No other team is undergoing the kind of investment ramp up and infrastructure improvement as Aston Martin at the moment – which boasts new sponsors, more technology partners and is pushing on hard with its new factory and windtunnel plans.

    For Alonso, a man who is motivated to win in F1 and not simply race around in the midfield, he well knows that money still buys a lot in the sport and he can see the potential in what Aston Martin has planned for the future. Alpine has already been through its major investment phase since Renault originally came back to take over the squad as a works team, and now it could well be a case of diminishing returns.
     
  15. spirot

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    He can put the nail in the Aston Martin coffin .... This will not end well for Aston & Stroll. I'd sell your Aston soon and or pick up the vintage ones now.
     
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  16. spirot

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    Tom Kristensen and Cappelo and Smith? I think ?
     
  17. petrol_junkie

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    It was reported that Alpine was offering a 1 year contract + WEC opportunities but Alonso wanted a 2 year deal.
     
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  18. 375+

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    The vintage Aston market is flooded with marginal examples from a Middle East collection dispersion. Check any/every Bonhams auction.
     
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  19. bmwracer

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    Goes from a medium team to a stinker run by a narcissist ******* , perfect fit for Alonso .What does he have to lose , just as well put the mail in the coffin at Aston with his toxicity, I am sure they offered huge bucks and since she will never be WDC champion again , might as well go for the $$ .
    Stroll Sr and Alonso will butt heads for sure
     
  20. 375+

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    Not seeing any chemistry between these two at all.
     
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  21. Mitch Alsup

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    Alonso's return to F1 was a brave move.
    Alonso's jump to Aston Martin will go down as another one of his Toxic tactics.
     
  22. trumpet77

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    I still like ALO, but moving to Aston Martin even with lots of cash, lots of new factory and wind tunnel coming, in the 2nd year of the new cars they will be lucky to move up from where they are now.
    Here's a fun prediction: Stroll finishes behind ALO at every race.
     
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  23. Hawkeye

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    LS has lots of cash, they are putting lost of cash into that team and ALO, like him or not (I like him) he will help develop the car and spend those engineering ££££; he's not going to England to sit around and collect a check. Will be interesting to see how Lance handles the pressure, FA is on a different level entirely. I never saw many interviews with Lance speaking about Seb, how did that relationship go?
     
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  24. jgonzalesm6

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    Welcome to F1's Daddy's DayCare.
     
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  25. 375+

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    Lost cash is correct;)

    +1 agree
     
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