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  1. TestShoot

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    I think a lot of us like the idea of this adult desert oasis having teams in every league. Unless you are in LA, everyone flies in, it really is disconnected but unlike Hawaii, it is convenient from the lower 48 and has capacity.

    Portland 'A'ntifas across the river from the Mariners has a pleasant ring but the west coast has so many teams; it'd be good for baseball to try a Nashville-like city.
     
  2. Whisky

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    #177 Whisky, Jul 21, 2022
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    I know they were looking at a place that is down on the water, a former military base?,
    and another place in a less desirable area.

    I was going to say MLB will go where the money is, regardless of ANYTHING else they say,
    and I was going to question the attendance for the Nashville AAA team, but guess what?
    Nashville's attendance is #1 in ALL of the minor leagues, but guess who is #2? (Vegas)
    https://www.thebaseballcube.com/content/minor_attendance/2021/
     
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    #178 Whisky, Jul 21, 2022
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    Did Las Vegas get a new stadium for the minor league team?

    In 2021 and 2019 they were second and first in attendance, (2020 was covid),
    but from 2014 thru 2018 they were not even in the top-40.
    (In 2021 they were 2nd - by 26 fans avg, in 2019 they were first - and it wasn't even close = 757)

    IF Oakland was to move to Vegas, where would their AAA team move to?
    I doubt they could stay there, but the Minnesota Twins' AAA team plays 5 miles away in St Paul.
    If MLB put a NEW franchise in Vegas, where would the AAA team go?

    https://www.thebaseballcube.com/page.asp?PT=minor_attendance&ID=2021
     
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    The Ballpark in Summerlin is fantastic. It hosts all sorts of events, the ease in-out is great, my parents go to games a lot. If the "A's" did show up to Vegas before a park is built just for them, the sharing of this park would not be a bad thing. It'd feel like spring training. Summerlin area would show up bigtime.

    https://summerlin.com/lv-ballpark/

     
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    Las Vegas Ballpark has been up and running for several years in Summerlin. That area around the park is actually booming since it opened. I've been to the stadium. Its the A's AAA team. Players who have gone between them say the Aviator stadium is much better than what the A's have in Oakland. Its the nicest Minor league stadium in America.

    Actually the fact that the major league team and the AAA team being in the same area is a huge advantage. They can move players in and out of the lineups easily without relocation. The NHL has been following the same path for a while. Vegas has the Golden Knights and Henderson (just 8 miles away) has the Silver Knights.
     
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    So I had a theory that if the A's had to move from Oakland, they could relocate to the Vegas Ballpark while a stadium is finished. If they added some outfield stands they could get close to 20K in the park. They only want a new stadium to hold 30K. Yes, they would be playing almost all games at night but it would be better than playing in Oakland where the toilets actually back up.
     
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    On your point of major/minor in the same town, we have the Golden and Silver Knights in the same city. I have yet to see a hockey game yet, but that dolla rLoan Center Arena looks pretty neat and comparatively affordable. Dude, the outside of Oakland looks like it is about to be red-tagged and torn down now, I mean, a college diamond is almost better.
     
  8. Whisky

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    I know the advantages of being in or near the same city, I was not sure if the ticket
    sales would be diluted. I could see it if the two teams were 100 miles apart, I just
    didn't know about 10 miles apart....

    My other kinda-sorta question is how or why did the Vegas AAA teams go from
    an average of 45th in attendance for many years to all-of-a-sudden 1st or 2nd?
    They basically went from 3,300 in the stands to 6,900 'overnight'?
    Could it be a 'Las Vegas Raiders' affect? Or a Golden Knights effect?

    I really like our ballpark where the AAA team plays (Omaha), they are tied to the KC Royals,
    200 miles away, but our park is very wide open and 'airy', people are not scrunched
    in, and you can walk all the way around it on the inside and still watch the game.
     

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    That side of town is called Summerlin it's a middle to aspiring upper middle class area made up of a lot of Angelinos moving there. I was working in Vegas 8 years ago when they were building it, you could see it was sort of Orange County meets Palm Springs. The shopping center is called Red Rocks Casino and Downtown Summerlin with loads of shopping. Christmas at the ballpark is fun, and I also did the ice skating with my friend's kids there around Christmas. I'm surprised @ryalex hasn't chimed in yet.
    https://summerlin.com/downtown-summerlin/
     
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    They should just move to Vegas and be done with it....
     
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    I think their idea of putting a stadium on their Terminal was "a bridge too far". Too complicated, too expensive. But I still think they are staying in Oakland.
     
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    If I am an out-of-town tourist, I can think of 5,000 places I want to visit.....
    Guess which one is top-20, and which one is not in the top-50,000?
     
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    1) Riverside Raceway
    2) Ontario Motor Speedway
    3) Orange County International Raceway
    4) Ascot Park
    5) El Toro MCAS
    6) March AFB
    7) Norton AFB

    (I like cars and air shows)
     
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    I might have added Lions Drag Strip, which like most of the places on your list is gone!


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    I thought of Lions, but the edit time limit of 20 minutes had passed, I was going to add it.
     
  18. TheMayor

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    It ain't over yet....

    Lawsuit aims to void vote allowing Oakland A's Howard Terminal project to move forward | News | PleasantonWeekly.com |

    Truckers, longshore workers and others opposed to a billion-dollar Oakland A's ballpark planned at the Charles P. Howard Terminal in Oakland have filed a lawsuit against a little-known Bay Area commission over its decision to allow the A's to build at the terminal pending other regulatory approvals.

    The suit was filed July 29 in Alameda County Superior Court by the East Oakland Stadium Alliance, a coalition that wants the A's to redevelop their current home at the RingCentral Coliseum. The coalition includes the Pacific Merchant Shipping Association, the Harbor Trucking Association and the California Trucking Association.

    The A's want to build a stadium that seats about 35,000 people at Howard Terminal, which is on the waterfront at the Port of Oakland. Plans also call for the development of housing, open space, commercial space and a performing arts venue near the stadium.

    "The A's are interested in doing something fast," said attorney and vice president Michael Jacob of the Pacific Merchant Shipping Association, a nonprofit representing owners and operators of marine terminals and U.S. and foreign vessels. "We're interested in doing something right."

    The suit is seeking to void the decision by the Bay Conservation and Development Commission, which said the Bay Area does not need the land at Howard Terminal for shipping operations.
    It was a decision the Oakland A's needed to move forward with building a new stadium to replace the Coliseum, which A's president Dave Kaval said is years past its useful life.

    Kaval said the A's weren't expecting the suit against the commission's decision. He said it's not a good development for Oakland, which has recently lost two other professional sports teams and could lose the A's, too.

    The Golden State Warriors moved to San Francisco and the Oakland Raiders are now the Las Vegas Raiders. Like the Raiders, the A's are considering a move to Las Vegas.

    Kaval said the suit against the BCDC puts the project in Oakland at risk.

    The A's now have a handful of sites in Las Vegas the team is considering.

    "There are plenty of options that work," Kaval said, noting that it is easier to build there.

    Oakland has another hurdle to jump, too. City officials have not shown the A's a plan to pay for the off-site infrastructure near the proposed ballpark at Howard Terminal.

    Also, three other suits are challenging the city of Oakland's environmental review of the Howard Terminal project. Judge Brad Seligman will consider those suits, which have been consolidated, on Aug. 19.

    The decision by the BCDC followed a recommendation by the Seaport Planning Advisory Committee, which advises the commission. The advisory committee recommended maintaining Howard Terminal for port use.

    Jacob thinks the commission should have taken that recommendation. Instead, the commission made its decision based on new information that the advisory committee did not consider. Jacob said the advisory committee should have considered the new information before the commission voted.

    Opponents to the Howard Terminal proposal also allege in the complaint that the commission's chair R. Zachary Wasserman should have recused himself from the vote.

    The complaint says the Oakland A's were once a client of Wasserman and his firm in connection with another ballpark development at the Coliseum.

    But Wasserman said last week that an opinion from the California Fair Political Practices Commission said he could participate in the vote and added that nothing in common law would yield a different conclusion.
     
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    As I said..... LOL
     
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    Hmmmmm..... 2nd meeting with Phil Ruffin in a week.

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/athletics/as-in-vegas-furthering-ballpark-talks-with-casino-magnate-2624351/

    A’s in Vegas furthering ballpark talks with casino magnate
    Oakland Athletics officials were in Las Vegas Tuesday meeting again with hotel magnate Phil Ruffin about a potential north Strip ballpark deal, sources told the Review-Journal.

    The meeting is the second to occur this month, with Ruffin previously making a trip on August 2 to Oakland regarding the 37-acre Las Vegas Festival Ground site he owns, located on the southwest corner of Las Vegas Boulevard and Sahara Avenue.

    After showing interest in the site last year, early in the A’s Las Vegas Valley ballpark land search, talks quieted about the site. The early August meeting between the A’s and Ruffin signaled that the site had reemerged as a “dark-horse contender,” a source indicated.

    Despite the recent activity between the A’s and Ruffin, the Tropicana site remains in contention, sources confirmed. Ruffin has ownership of multiple properties in Las Vegas, including Circus Circus and Treasure Island.

    The A’s have been exploring the Southern Nevada market since May 2021. In that time they have chopped a list of more than 20 ballpark sites down to two.

    Last week Ruffin’s spokeswoman said he was unavailable for comment regarding the A’s situation.

    The A’s are also still negotiating a deal in Oakland regarding a $12 billion mixed-use stadium project at Howard Terminal. That includes a $1 billion waterfront stadium.

    Last week Ruffin’s spokeswoman said he was unavailable for comment regarding the A’s situation.

    The A’s are also still negotiating a deal in Oakland regarding a $12 billion mixed-use stadium project at Howard Terminal. That includes a $1 billion waterfront stadium.
     
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    this time for sure! :p
     
  22. TheMayor

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    Oakland's city council takes the entire month off in August.

    Not like there are any important things to work on there....
     
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    They on the European calendar? lol
     
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    Interesting.....

    Experts say Strip could lengthen, speculate on future growth
    https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/casinos-gaming/experts-say-strip-could-lengthen-speculate-on-future-growth-2625837/

    Could the Las Vegas Strip grow longer with major sports venues bookending it on the north and south ends?

    It’s possible, according to two gaming industry experts who addressed members of NAIOP Southern Nevada, the Commercial Real Estate Development Association.

    Alan Feldman, distinguished fellow at UNLV’s International Gaming Institute and former executive with MGM Resorts International, and Josh Swissman, founding partner of Las Vegas-based Strategy Organization, discussed the future of the Strip in an hour-long presentation for the 635-member NAIOP group at The Orleans.

    Feldman said it’s possible in the distant future that the Strip could extend south all the way to the M Resort at Las Vegas Boulevard and St. Rose Parkway.

    But over the next decade, Blue Diamond Road and Warm Springs Drive could be the southern ending point of the Strip with the new resort and NBA-ready 20,000-seat arena under development by Tim Leiweke’s Oak View Group.

    “If you look at the track record that Tim Leiweke and his colleagues have, I have a feeling that we’re going to see a slightly different variant, sort of Resorts World 2, at that part of the Strip,” Feldman said in an interview following the presentation. “They’re just going to have to have an NBA team there, which I think is to everyone’s benefit.”

    Meanwhile, Swissman said the prospect of an MLB stadium near Las Vegas Boulevard and Sahara Avenue could extend the Strip north. “If you look at the track record that Tim Leiweke and his colleagues have, I have a feeling that we’re going to see a slightly different variant, sort of Resorts World 2, at that part of the Strip,” Feldman said in an interview following the presentation. “They’re just going to have to have an NBA team there, which I think is to everyone’s benefit.”

    Executives with the Oakland A’s have been in talks with Phil Ruffin, owner of Circus Circus and the 37-acre Las Vegas Festival Grounds land on the southwest corner of that intersection. The A’s have been given permission by MLB to explore the possibility of relocating as they negotiate for a $1 billion stadium within a $12 billion mixed-use development at Howard Terminal on the Oakland waterfront.

    New hotel towers

    Swissman also expects the north end of the Strip to be a development hotspot with the Fontainebleau resort opening next year.

    “You will definitely see new hotel towers pop up from existing operators, whether that’s Resorts World building out their second phase — which is just as big as the first — or you see it doesn’t take too much speculation to think that the Seminole Tribe and the Hard Rock on The Mirage property build additional hotel rooms for a bunch of different reasons,” Swissman said.

    “You will see more development on existing operator land and you’ll also see, in my opinion, a better public transportation system on and around the Strip,” he said. “The Monorail was the beginning of that thought process, but with the (Vegas) Loop (an underground transit system being developed by Elon Musk’s the Boring Co.) being what it is and the aggressive growth plans that they have, I think the way you get up and down the Strip now will look widely different from how you do it 10 years from now.”

    Feldman believes a baseball stadium is a possibility on the North Strip.

    “I think the baseball situation is very much in play in spite of what’s going on in Oakland,” Feldman said. “I’ve yet to hear anyone in Oakland step forward with a financing plan, whereas here, there are a couple of either individuals or companies that could simply make a decision that they want a baseball stadium on their development. Baseball stadiums, while expensive, aren’t as expensive as a brand-new hotel. I think there is a greater likelihood than not that the A’s will come here.”
     
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    Strip expand south? not unless you plan on fracturing it starting wayyyy down south and put the ballpark there because there happens to be an airport at the south end of the strip and it already has interesting flight restrictions. It's the doorstep of the strip and it is a PITA to get to the real resorts if you are down there. I doubt "splitting the goalposts" between resort towers is going to "fly" with the FAA, nor would jet fumes over the pool of whatever place pops up. station casinos seems to be abandoning properties...

    Keep going north, lots of eyesores that need to be removed on the way to Fremont. It'd be great if a tower loomed over the Arts District, I have a friend that thinks living there is the best thing ever, won't shut up about it.
     

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