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Maserati Khamsin

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  1. italiancars

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    I have no idea if he got those wheels. I was in Europe when they were being made. I saw them there on those cars at the 94 Maserati International meet in Cortina. I have the guys business card.
    Paul never said a thing to me about ordering those.
     
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    An old faithful was seen at Concorso Italiano in Monterey this weekend: 1172 with aftermarket wire wheels. Photo by Oldtimer Australia.


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    Yeah he's had that car forever. I never asked him if he bought it new. I think he's old enough to have.
     
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    Very true: George A. of California. It was on the cover of Viale Ciro Menotti several decades ago.


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  6. staatsof

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    We met them in 86 at the north Lake Tahoe event when MIE/MCI left Monterey for the annual club event.
    It hailed at the concours event ... We had a slalom event in the hotel parking lot.
     
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    Not very frequent to see a K on wire wheels.
    Wires are very nice on older style Maserati (3500, Mexico) and also on Ghibli/Indy, but imho the K design looks a bit modern for wires.
    Matter of personal taste...
     
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    Fully agree. There were at least two K's with these wheels but the other has been in Europe for many years, on standard wheels.
     
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    With these 2 different red-number plates, German Police would have their own thoughts how to handle that issue............
     
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    What's up with the horseshoe?
     
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    Some people take their superstition very seriously....
     
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    Walter, just curious but can you explain to me the difference in the two red number license plates that would cause a problem in Germany?
     
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    Dear Elliot,

    german red plates starting with the number 07.... are special plates for historic cars (cars older then 30 years).

    The legislation states:
    07 vehicles are only allowed to go to classic car meetings and rallies.
    Also permitted are “test and test drives as well as trips for the purpose of repair and maintenance.

    The Front plate shows 01730
    Rear plate shows 07130

    Both marks must be the same.
    They must start with 07.....
    I believe that the vehicle registration office accidentally misprinted a license plate number and that the vehicle registration office employee and the vehicle owner did not seem to have noticed that they made a mistake. That would only be my guess.

    If you are stopped by the police, it is certainly up to the police officer how he punishes you.
    But I'm assuming that it's enough to have the front license plate re-created.

    Kind regards from Germany

    Zdenek

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    Fascinating! Thank you for giving all the background on those special plates.
     
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    And thank you also to have insisted on the difference 01730 / 07130.
    Because I must confess that I had looked twice and did not see a difference. Ageing and dislexia maybe...
     
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    Well I also needed to look twice so maybe we have these flaws but the employee who made the plates has them for sure...or he was a teenager on his first day;-)
     
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    Hi all, I’m new here - not new to Maserati, I own a QPV Sport GTS. But the Khamsin has always had my attention from when it came out. I have the opportunity to buy one, however it will need a fair bit of work. Would any of you be able to point me to a place where I can find the items I should look for that are very difficult or very expensive to fix? I don’t want to burn myself and this is such a rare car that I can imagine restauraties /upkeep is not simple (nor cheap). I just want to go into it with eyes open if I pull the trigger.

    It is a 1975 LHD (but with updated bonnet slats) but not sure if it is an OEM colour as it was re-sprayed some time in it’s life from silver or similar. The interior is cream. A Ferrari specialist has had a look over it and the list of to-does would include:

    New paint
    Tidy up /re-trim the interior, various switches and interior door handle
    Steering rack leaks, steering loose and out of alignment
    Water tank leaks
    Hydraulic tank leaks
    Carbs leak and need adjusting
    Diff leaks
    CV’s rubbing on body
    Rear suspension bushes worn
    Brake pipes rubbing on body
    Stabiliser bar bushes
    Boot shocks worn
    Balljoints worn
    Spare wheel door jammed
    Various other leaks….

    This one does not have any side mirrors, I’ve seen some with one and some with 2, are those later additions? There seem to be various combinations of front chairs/dash/bonnet slats that don’t seem to be as built, but I can imagine owners may have updated their cars when changes were made.

    Look forward to your comments
     
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    Hello and welcome Leo,

    I assume you are 1-in Europe since you mention left hand drive and 2-in Holland since the Dutch word restauraties can be found in your message.

    Is the car automatic or manual?
    What is the chassis number? I run the Khamsin registry since starting it in 2004 and am always hapy to help those who help back.
    If it is one of the scare crows owned by Laurent N in Holland or Belgium walk away, all three cars he had needed lots of work to say the least.

    Last but not least a Ferrari workshop is no more qualified to inspect it than a Porsche workshop is qualified to inspect a Ferrari; these cars require specific knowledge and the wrong advice and actions can result in unnecessary costs and actual damage.
    The hydraulic fluid for example cannot be replaced by any other fluid, however it is inexpensive but first the system needs to be flushed and revised; new seals etc. Non specialist garages miss a few seals typically.

    In any case it sounds like this particular car needs full restoration.
    There might be better solutions for you. As with any classic it is better to buy a car that is ready than to hope to save money by buying a project; it is not going to happen.

    Best regards,

    Marc
     
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    Hi Marc,

    Thanks for your reply, I have read about you and your expertise on the Khamsin, nice to meet you. You are a good detective too, I am indeed Dutch but not in Holland. So the car is not one of Laurent N, but it does look to be a project but it is priced accordingly. The car is a manual and I am waiting for the chassis number, I should have it after the weekend I should imagine. I take your comment on board re buying a good car vs a project, I once restored a 1970 Rolls Royce convertible and it was a drama.
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    Interesting that the euro bumpers are all black
     
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    Hello Leo,

    This car is AM120-012 in South Africa, built 3 October 1973. It was born blue (which shade is not specified) with white.
    It has different inner door panels (door cards as they say in the UK) it was sold at auction in recent years. It had been stuck in a garage called the Emgee workshop, in, I believe Johannesburg.

    They contacted me in November 2006:

    "The car came to us in various pieces but it is in fair condition."

    As can be seen by the German added chassis plate it spent some time in Germany early on.

    The seats are incorrect but it may be that the interior was not fully defined at the time. In fact Fabio Collina of Maserati Classiche confirmed it was a factory demonstrator which was thereafter sold to Auto Koenig in Munich in 1976 as a used car. In fact along with the door panels being different and the fact that the body shell, autovettura is number 2: 25002 means it could be that the seats were made like that. Typically there won't be any notes in the archives at the factory about the seats' styling. Of course they could also have been redone wrong at some point as happens when no reference is available.

    What is interesting is that with 002 the crash test prototype having been destroyed in 1973, with 004 the Turin show prototype being in Holland with a friend of mine, with 006 never having existed (just another odd fact in Maserati chassis number history) 008 being with a friend in Norway, 010 being with another in Canada this car is the fourth earliest surviving chassis number.

    The car was sold at auction in 2016. Here some photos the auction company sent me at the time.

    I think the main problem is that it most likely has not been driven in recent years and reawakening a sleeping car is quite an elaborate process.


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    #10523 Tallman1, Aug 27, 2022
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    Hi Marc,

    Bravo! I had come to the same conclusion, although pictures of the car at auction had side mirrors and an antenna, so it must have been re-sprayed after and possibly the antenna was not working any longer. The mirrors were red. Image Unavailable, Please Login

    The other thing is that the front indicator lights are no longer white. So there are a few funny things plus the fact it is being sold as a 1975 that made me hesitate to conclude it is that same car. The car in the picture above look in a lot better condition and it’s not that long ago - 6 years. It has 22k km indicated now but looking at the state of it that must have gone round at least once.

    This pic looks more like the actual car plus it has the info you mentioned as well re history.
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    The other strange thing is that the car has the slatted nose. So there is still a little doubt in my mind, but when I get the Chassis Nr all will be revealed.
     
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    #10525 Nembo1777, Aug 27, 2022
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    The car with smooth nose is a much later car which has been in Brazil for some years. The photo was taken by dealer Hyman in the US Midwest. If I recall correctly that is 142.

    Not the same car. Some news website discussing the auction just plucked that photo off the net. Happens all the time.

    The one you show in your first photos is definitely 012.
     

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