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348 Wiring Diagrams

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  1. MoparLM550@426

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    Hey guys, having a bit of difficulty with a 93 348 I'm helping with. Looking for the wiring diagrams for the starter as well as the generator/alternator.
    Haven't been able to find anything useful for this, unless I want to spend 3500 for OEM books off of Ebay :eek::eek:
    Anywho, would appreciate any help I can possibly get.
    Thanks guys!

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  3. MoparLM550@426

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    Thank you kindly, I'll check it against the vehicle. Hopefully I can solve a weird issue
     
  4. Qavion

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    Their may be variations from car to car. e.g. plug 115 on the upper left side of the engine bay may be rectangular on newer cars (with different pin numbering). This circular plug is fragile and known to cause issues.

    I see the diagram only shows one wire (yellow/green) going to the small connector of the alternator. Doesn’t the 348 alternator have a typical 3-pin plug?
     
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    A bit more work for you Ian. I happen to have a new engine harness on which I did some wire tracing.

    The pinout of the 3-pin socket on the alternator is (looking at the socket):
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    The wiring diagram only shows the Y/GN wire that goes from "L" to the alternator warning light (via Pin 6 of the 9-pin connector). The other two pins are:

    IGN: GN/W wire - goes to Pin 5 of the 9-pin connector which provides +12V ign. supply (shares it with the Speedo Sensor)
    S: R wire - short wire for volt Sensing, has an eye terminal that connects to the alternator's power output stud
     
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  7. MoparLM550@426

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    Morning Gents,
    Thanks for the input. This vehicle has a 3 wire alternator connector. I know the get cooked pretty thoroughly, as I have already replaced one on another vehicle for an alternator warning lamp/charging issue.
    This particular vehicle has had an alternator completely rebuilt, 2x. Not that that means it is working properly. But, we do have voltage readings and the B+ block on the right rear of 12.8-12.9. I have watched it dip as low as 11.6. With loads on, it definitely pulls into the mid 11's. When reved, it'll pull up to about 13.5 - 13.6, but will drop back down below 12 with load on and around 12.6 with loads off. I am suspecting a bad alternator rebuild, but any other areas I should be looking at I will definitely investigate.

    Thank you again and Cheers!

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    No battery/alternator warning light? I had a broken pin on my alternator connector (I can't remember which of the 3 wires it was, but my battery voltage was dropping and the light was coming on).

    Before you go pulling your alternator, I would check the continuity of the wires between plug 115 and the alternator. Also the red wire.
     
  10. MoparLM550@426

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    Ian, as always.... Thank You, Mate! Greatly appreciated. Hope to get this vehicle out of my arse, as its been there for neigh over 6 months
     
  11. MoparLM550@426

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    Yes, not a single blip. And I would have figured there would be when the voltage kept dropping down
     
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    Do the checks as suggested by Ian first. Otherwise, the symptoms you described could also mean that one alternator phase is out due to blown diode(s). In such cases, the voltage is fine with light loads but drops at heavier. Another possibility is partial shorts in the rotor (exciter) coil. Have a look at the attached document and the alternator testing procedures.
     

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    This vehicle does NOT have an additional wire. There are 3 and the 3-way and the main B+ at the stud, that's it.
     
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    Have you determined which kind of connector you have near the left hand rear suspension strut? Circular or rectangular?

    I don't have a photo of the circular plug (other than m.stojanovic's improved version)

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    The rectangular type is something like this:

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    Ian, a couple of suggestions for your revised diagram for Starter and Alternator:
    1. The symbol "L" at the connections to the alternator is at the wire which is actually to "IGN" pin; you can leave the "L" where it is, just swap the two green wires.
    2. The pins listing (1-12) appears to apply only to the rectangular connector; perhaps you can insert a note to that effect (the round connector pinout is as shown on my drawing posted above).
     
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    Thanks, Miro
    I've squeezed both pinouts into the one diagram
    I couldn't really swap the wires on the alternator as the original diagram has the green/white wire specifically going to the bottom of some kind of internal resistor. I've labelled all the wires now.

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    Full-sized diagram here:

    https://www.dropbox.com/t/EFRKliMpmTs4mL76

    Cheers
     
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    Great. Just a small final touch: the vertical runs of the two green wires to the left of the alternator - if you place the "1.5 VB" closer to the alternator, and the 1.5 GV further away, you will avoid the two green wires crossing each other twice.

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    I sometimes use the double-cross technique to put extra space between objects. With multiple lines, it makes the diagram look less cluttered (and not much harder to read).

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    Anyway, here's an optional version

    https://www.dropbox.com/t/t2rP0xPiPnP5Gr8y

    I'm not sure of the wire gauges for the alternator. In the original diagram, the GV wire increases in size as it gets closer to the alternator. Anyway, on my (F355) alternator, all the wires on the small plug are the same size, so I've done the same for the 348. i.e. 1.5 mm^2.
     
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    Thanks, I like the "optional" version. As to the sizes of the 3 wires to the alternator, GV and VB are same size (2.4 mm dia. over the insulation) so they are 1.5. The red wire is a bit thicker (3 mm) so it should be "2" I guess.
     
  20. MoparLM550@426

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    Thanks, I have. It has the 12 pin rectangular one. I have disassembled all the connections from starter as well as alternator, and ohm'd out each leg of the circuit as well as load tested. Doesn't appear to be any issues with the actual wiring.
     
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    Sorry to hear there is nothing obvious.

    By the way, what sort of earth do you have on your alternator? Some folks have an additional earth wire on the alternator due to the inadequacy of the standard earth. I don't know if all cars suffered from this shortcoming or just the early models.
     
  22. MoparLM550@426

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    This vehicle has NO ground on the alternator case. Quite possible it could require one, but wouldn'
    t that just be a band-aid and not an actual proper repair?
     
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    Is one wire (red) of the three wires in the 3-way plug connected to the main B+ stud? You can see the mentioned red wire on this picture (by Ernie):

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    Adding a ground strap to the alternator may not solve the problem but it is good to have one just in case the grounding via the lower bracket develops some resistance.
     
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    On the F355, the red wire goes to the equivalent of new plug 115. I think it's the red/black wire on pin 10. Perhaps Leigh can confirm this?
     
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    No.
     

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