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  1. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    #501 Rifledriver, Sep 14, 2022
    I got that. My comments were based on the amount of time between the collision and when it rolled beyond any chance of ejecting.
     
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  2. spicedriver

    spicedriver F1 Rookie

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    #502 spicedriver, Sep 14, 2022
    I was thinking the doomed aircraft rolled intentionally to follow the leader, and then lost control because of the damage.
     
  3. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    #503 Rifledriver, Sep 14, 2022
    Maybe but if he was aware of the contact and he rolled it that low he was not very bright. I'm not a pilot but 1st move I'd make is to get some sky under me. If thats not possible throw away the airplane.
     
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  4. spicedriver

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    #504 spicedriver, Sep 14, 2022
    He probably felt the contact but didn't realize the extent of the damage, or how the aircraft would handle.

    At least he went out with a bang !
     
  5. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    #505 Rifledriver, Sep 14, 2022
    And we saw the wisdom of that.
     
  6. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    #506 tazandjan, Sep 14, 2022
    The Russians have some really miraculous ejection seats, but I am not sure they are fitted to the Su-25. Even if they are, you still have to pull the handles.
     
  7. spicedriver

    spicedriver F1 Rookie

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    #507 spicedriver, Sep 15, 2022
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  8. ralfabco

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    #508 ralfabco, Sep 15, 2022
    easy ingress and egress.

    Donor MiG-29's should have the old radar stripped out and replaced with the best new components from Raytheon. Perhaps a bunch of experienced techs could modify the jets. Plenty of the MiG-29's floating around in and outside of E. Europe. Hi-time TACAIR U.S. volunteer Aggressor pilots would have an excellent opportunity with a target rich environment. Ivan choose the same course of action from 1950-1952. I believe Ivan did not spend much cockpit time in the late stages of the K.W.
     
  9. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    #509 Rifledriver, Sep 15, 2022

    Oh good. They can paint a leaping Tiger on the side of the airplane.
     
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  10. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    #510 Rifledriver, Sep 15, 2022
    Someone was using their noggin.
     
  11. ralfabco

    ralfabco Two Time F1 World Champ
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    #511 ralfabco, Sep 15, 2022
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    xi would love the Flying Tiger motif.

    74th Fighter Squadron - Provisional :D attached to the 23 F.G. (P). Historically accurate.

    Unfortunately no hand-painted leather patches.

    + the obligatory red stars under the MiG's cockpit. That is kewl.
     
  12. spicedriver

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    #512 spicedriver, Sep 15, 2022
    Plugs put the kibosh on Warsaw Pact planes to Ukraine. This should be reversed. Backfill with F-16s. Ukraine should also get ACTACMS , and a generous supply of M1A1s. This war would be over real fast.
     
  13. spicedriver

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    #513 spicedriver, Sep 15, 2022
  14. ralfabco

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    #514 ralfabco, Sep 16, 2022
    Why does it have to be Block 30 American F-16's ?

    Let the W. euros donate some Eurofighters and get their hands dirty.

    W. euros need to demonstrate resolve.
     
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  15. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    #515 Rifledriver, Sep 16, 2022
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    There are no good guys in this fight. "Our enemies enemy" is not always enough reason to get very deep in.
     
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  16. spicedriver

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    #516 spicedriver, Sep 16, 2022
    4 planes reportedly shot down in counteroffensive:

     
  17. tazandjan

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    #517 tazandjan, Sep 16, 2022
    The difference in price between an old F-16 and a Eurofighter is pretty substantial. We use early F-16s for target practice for AAMs.
     
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  18. ralfabco

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    #518 ralfabco, Sep 16, 2022
    Who will supply the F-16's ?

    W. euros should make the effort and not wait for Uncle Sam to always provide the hardware.
     
  19. tazandjan

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    #519 tazandjan, Sep 16, 2022
    We have F-16s in the boneyard, even early C and D models.
     
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  20. DBomb117

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    #520 DBomb117, Sep 16, 2022
    There are something like 24 F-16s and 24 F-15s (numbers might be off I think it was around 50 planes total) coming up for retirement at the end of this year. Those might be the first “lend lease” a/c to be sent. I believe both are C/D variants. The US will not send a/c for free in presidential drawdown as they have for other packages. It would only be through lend-lease (return them later or buy out) or an outright sale as a business gov-gov transaction.

    The US is going to want so get some product in Ukraine for familiarization for a potential sale as the Ukrainians are gearing up to buy 78-108 gen 4+ aircraft a-la the f-16/Gripen to modernize their air force.


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  21. spicedriver

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    #521 spicedriver, Sep 23, 2022
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    #522 spicedriver, Sep 25, 2022
    Russian Aircraft Shot Down In Ukraine

     
  23. Akg200

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    #523 Akg200, Sep 25, 2022
    [emoji15]
     
  24. Chindit

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    #524 Chindit, Oct 2, 2022
    When I was a Crew Chief during my first enlistment, I worked block 25 F-16Cs and Ds at Luke AFB. My assigned jet, 83-1161 is currently at Holloman AFB being converted to a drone. She'll be blown to smithereens someday....sigh.
     
  25. spicedriver

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    #525 spicedriver, Oct 8, 2022
    Kerch Bridge Attacked



    No way this was a truck bomb as Russia claims.
    Check out the wave @ :37 - :38
     
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