Is it time for gun control in Washington?

No such thing.

 

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Only in the US

 

The USA is definitely the most relaxed for law abiding citizens to get guns. Criminals can get guns in any country, or make bombs, drive cars in crowds, mass stabbings, etc.

The 2A in USA is to hold the govt accountable, to prevent tyranny. Unfortunately, Americans have been brainwashed that it’s for sport, hunting, or self-defense more.

Gun crimes per volume of guns, USA is low. Violent crime/gun crime per capita USA is high exclusively because of the top few major cities where poverty, education, “justice” system, etc have major issues/failures to the people. In those cities, guns are usually banned/highly regulated and yet criminals are buying full auto switches and such from AliExpress and illegal guns just like they buy drugs.

Many first world countries have higher mass shootings per capita than the USA, while the USA has substantially more guns per capita than those other first world countries. Add in the excessive stabbings, bombings, cars in crowds, etc that EU has then the USA would be even further down the list for mass attacks per capita.

Regardless, gun crime (as with all crime) are problems that need addressed, but appropriately, reasonably, rationally, etc. Regurgitating false implications about US gun crime delivered to us by the dominantly liberal media is counterproductive to someone actually trying to create change. The media and politicians are intentionally polarizing Americans (and the world population in general) so they can run rampant versus having the people come together around rational opinions and demand change and accountability of our government.

Bipartisan/identity politics is the biggest issue facing the USA, in my opinion. Because, it’s allowing government (including the “justice” system to run rampant). I’d assume other countries are facing these same issues, or more likely did in the 1980s/1990s and the USA is late to the party (party being government inflation and a system that oppressed the people).

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Are you in marketing ?

Keep repeating BS until you believe it is their motto

 

I get some of that, but none of it explains why you need an AR-15 in your house.

Want to keep a handgun in case some punk breaks in and threatens your family?
Fine. I get that. And would even consider it myself if I lived in Sydney or Melbourne, but military assault weapons all over the place and routinely in the hands of total nutters?

Yeah, nah.

 

Have you ever shot an AR? If you enjoy target shooting.....it is accurate and fun to shoot. It is no different than any other semi-automatic rifle or pistol for that matter.

I really get the impression that demonizing a rifle just because it looks a certain way is pretty silly. Once upon a time.....the dems in the US got their "Assault Weapons Ban" on the books and it was a complete joke which had zero impact on gun deaths in the US. Just feel good legislation that did absolutely nothing and was repealed.

The amount of ignorance surrounding ARs is just staggering. Usually it is because the people making the statements have never held a gun and watch too many Hollywood movies. How many times have you heard someone say that the perp had an "automatic AR"? The reality is that I can't think of a single shooting where someone had an "automatic" AR. Automatic rifles and pistols are already restricted to largely historical or military applications in the US.

I do agree with you that an AR is not what I would reach for if someone broke into my house at night. A pistol or shotgun makes far more sense at least to me.

 

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country

Add in mass stabbings, bombings, cars in crowds, etc and EU country would be even higher.

Switzerland, Norway, France, Finland, Belgium, Czech Republic, and more are higher than the USA specifically mass shootings per capita.

You can’t just be brain washed by the media man, that’s the issue in this world. There is a reason the USA is in the focus….

The second amendment is NOT for hunting, sport, or even home defense. Those activities are god given rights. The founding fathers intended the second amendment for militias to protect the country from degradation of our freedoms, specially to hold the government accountable. Founding fathers wouldn’t have fathomed hunting, sport, or home defense being restricted.

Instead of asking why civilians have AR15s, ask why the police (retired or active) are specially written into 2A restrictive laws as being immune to those restrictions. Then why they have full autos that they get to take home and to civilian shooting competitions. Or why cops have armored tanks/APCs, 40mm semi auto grenade launchers, thermal and night vision, helicopters and airplanes, cell phone monitoring equipment (Stingrays), K9s to search anything without a warrant, curfew laws to stop all citizens whenever they want to demand ID to prove not 18 years old, road blocks to stop all citizens and ID (DUI, seatbelt, citizenship), Civil forfeiture, etc. All while the biggest cause of death for them is getting hit by cars and heart attacks on duty. They should be dressed in bright yellow with life alert necklaces and not like mercenaries in Iraq. All while they have a bastardized US flag (black/grey/blue) on their uniforms, buildings, vehicles, etc.

All these bipartisan political issues are to keep us distracted from the government running rampant. It’s to keep the people at each other’s throats. The people are more concerned about spewing baseless insults at one another, and the other party, instead of being critical of the politicians they vote for.

I’m more prone to “insult” the people I vote for than the ones I don’t.


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https://econjwatch.org/File+download/1105/LankfordMar2019.pdf?mimetype=pdf

from the sources in your link

compare how many school shootings the US has to Australia's and you MAY understand why we and other countries with similar policies on guns know the US has the gun debate wrong

I know my grandkids WON'T have any chance of getting killed by guns at school

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/school-shootings-by-country

The US doesn't look too good in this link

Sandy Hook should have been the end but obviously the NRA are too stupid and a bunch of ****s

 

Fixed.

 

Some need a AR…some want AR or other rifle. What is an assault weapon? You have it all completely wrong as you do not understand what you are saying. Assault weapon is a term dreamed up to sound dangerous to those like you. You can be assaulted with anything. It’s the person doing the aggression not the weapon, being it could be a baseball bat, knife or vehicle or bare fists.
See what you don’t understand is my country has a Constitution that “shall not be infringed upon” and we have the right to have these guns. Our rights are greatly being infringed on and more people, a lot more, will stand up for our right unlike your country. Other countries don’t understand and have no bearing on making decisions or even getting into the rights of a USA citizen.

 

Good for you.

Who needs an AR, exactly, and why?

And, what are you doing in this part of the forum if you don’t like anyone poking their nose into other country’s business?

Are you trying to suggest that Americans don’t comment or have an opinion on any other country’s business?

LOL.

 

Again you don’t understand…and the sad part is you do not try or want to understand.

Need or want doesn’t matter. You keep saying need….you don’t need a Ferrari, You don’t need a car that exceeds the max speed limit of your highways. You don’t need a beautiful exotic car, you don’t need a car with option choices, you don’t need a big house, you don’t need a car collection…Get it? Maybe you don’t understand as you are not living in a free country. I don’t poke into other countries business but I am here sticking up for my country which you are trying to impose your unwanted way of life and thoughts on.

 

You have to look at mass shootings per capita. The USA has a population 15 times greater than Australia. Australia doesn’t have the complex cultural issues the USA has that affects crimes.

Also, stop comparing apples to oranges. USA doesn’t compare to Australia for many reasons, or even to other mono cultural EU countries, and yet, USA isn’t higher than other first world EU countries for mass shootings per capita.

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10. There’s still murder in countries where handguns are banned. The United Kingdom banned handguns in 1997 after a man shot 16 elementary students and then shot himself. Let’s look at the UK’s homicide rate before, during, and after the ban… In 1996, the murder rate was 1.12 per 100,000 people. In 1997, it rose to 1.24. In 1998, the rate rose even further to 1.43. And in 2002, it peaked at 2.1 homicides per 100,000. Just because you ban guns, doesn’t mean people won’t find other ways to massacre other human beings.

9. Limiting assault rifles..again what's assault?...limits your Second Amendment rights. If the government restricts types of rifles or limits the amount of rounds, there’s no limit to what else they will restrict. The infringement of your constitutional rights won’t just stop at the type of arms you can bear. Who knows what other rights they’ll take away… free speech, freedom of religion…

8. The Second Amendment is not intended for just ordinary home defense. Its intent was to guarantee the nation could never be overcome by any military power, foreign or domestic. If the military was not available… say a nuclear holocaust or a synchronized Pearl Harbor occurred… you would have to protect yourself. If you were limited to non-assault rifles, any invader with an AK-47 would have an easy day.

7. Armed civilians help take out the bad guys. I’m referring to the first modern mass shooting in Austin, Texas in 1966. A sniper in a tower shot at University of Austin students for 90 minutes. The police who reacted had help. Students went to their trucks and grabbed their rifles and shot along side of the police. It was enough to pin the shooter down and allow the police to take the shooter out. Police then thanked the civilians for helping them fire on the shooter.

6. Shooters will get access to a gun, even with strict gun laws in place. In 2009, a German high school student went on a rampage and killed 15 people. He did not have a gun. He used his father’s 9 mm. Even in a country with strict gun laws, a shooter was able to find one and use it.

5. Gun rights will protect you from a police state.Edward Snowden brought our diminishing constitutional rights to light. “Big Brother” is not a myth. It’s a violation of the constitution. If the government doesn’t protect your right, what will?

4. Rampage shooters like soft targets. They’re targeting elementary schools, churches, and theaters… not places where you’d think guns are likely to be… Hell’s Angels’ bars, Scarface’s house in Miami, or a police station.

3. Prohibition didn’t stop alcohol… gun control won’t stop guns. The people who prospered during Prohibition by importing and supplying alcohol were gangsters like Al Capone. If gun control were in place, the people we’d really have to worry about would be the modern-day Al Capone supplying guns.

2. Laws don’t apply to criminals. This is simple enough. Gun control does not address the issue of gun-related crimes. In 2010, gun sales in Chicago were verboten. There were 432 murders in 2010 and 500 in 2012. The FBI named Chicago the nation’s murder capital. If a criminal is going to break the law, they will find a way.

1. The world isn’t perfect… and you can’t regulate it to perfection. There’s about one gun for every citizen inside the U.S. already. It would be impossible to collect this massive trove of guns. Even if the government wanted to, they could not control guns already present… or guns that would find their way into those hands who want them.

 

I'm sure what you are saying is an insult of some kind but I'll bet even Google Translate doesn't understand it.

In regards to guns.......there is good reason we put it in our Constitutional structure 250 years ago. You and others may not like it or have opinions but that really doesn't matter ....does it?

I'm happy to take you AR and pistol target shooting if you find yourself in the USA. The NRA headquarters has a great shooting range and museum about 5 miles from my house.

 

mdrums…. Super well said.


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We don't kill our kids who are our future, end of argument

 

We don't need any type of gun in Australia because we're not afraid of the world, and a mentally ill person with a knife can't kill as many people as one with a gun

 

Once again John,you're on a hiding to nothing,as these blokes said.."it's in their constitution" so that makes it all ok......end of story,aparrently.

None of your arguements are going to wash with this brainwashed mob.

 

Just pointing out that they're scared little rabbits Simon .............. been doing it since the internet started, and I'm never "on a hiding to nothing", I'm always right

 

The AR 15 is a platform, not unlike other semi auto guns. However, it is easy to vilify because to politicians who usually know little about a given subject but are proficient in sound bites, it looks scary and has been used for protection/self defense (Rittenhouse) to murder (Uvalde). In either situation, a revolver or semi auto pistol and extra mags and rounds could have been just as effective as was the AR 15. That is reality--full stop.

As an example of politician/speak our idiot president said 1) that an AR 15 bullet travels at a speed five times faster than a bullet fired from a regular rifle, and 2) that a 9mm bullet will blow the lungs out of the human body. Both are astoundingly incorrect.

He either knows they are false (which is attributing entirely too much competence to the fool), OR more likely, just mindlessly parrots what his handlers put on his teleprompter screen. (ex. "repeat the line"). There are many rifles which fire rounds faster and deadlier than an AR 15, which typically fires a lightweight .223 caliber round, which won't reliably put down game animals.

Secondly, the 9mm is a weak round, which has poor penetration and knockdown power, which is why law enforcement pivoted to the 40m caliber. Even the 40 will not "blow out" lungs, whether ball or expanding ammo is used.

I am keeping my semi auto rifles and pistols. I want them for hunting and to keep my family safe from criminals. I may need them one day as Thomas Jefferson envisioned to protect against a tyrannical government.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-59677855

Better ban those bouncy houses in Australia!




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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_stabbing

There are plenty of examples of mass stabbings. Including cars into crowds and bombings.

The USA isn’t the highest on the list for mass shootings per capita. So why do people love talking about the USA and mass shootings? It’s because people who lack freedoms want to impose those same restrictions on the USA to make them feel better about their own lack of freedom. Don’t get me wrong, the USA is hardly a “free” country now-a-days but the 2nd amendment sure does put things in the population’s favor.


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