Have you ever raced/tracked both Porsches and Corvettes? I have and they were VASTLY different experiences! I'm not talking about driving your car aggressively on back roads or to and from Cars & Coffee. I'm talking about slapping slicks on them and driving them at their absolute limit...lift throttle oversteer at over 100mph on a racetrack. I can give you dozens of examples where my GM products have come-up short compare to my Porsches...and that was AFTER sinking over $100K to improve the Vette.
Yes & Yes. Not sure what kind of Porsches or Corvettes you bought, but it conflicts my experience as well as every C&D lightning lap time. Up until the GT2 RS, the Corvette equivalent to Porsches 911 including the GT3 / RS models was always faster on track and in a straight line. I’d love to see u post receipts that tally up to even $25k in modifications for a Corvette - you must of not been driving any Z series
I'll bite...how could you "sink $100K to improve the Vette"? It's a Chevrolet...crate engine, coil overs/bars, brakes, wheels/tires and you don't sniff $100K
Image Unavailable, Please Login I don’t have time to go through everything but every improvement I made to the car made something else “weak link.” Tried to make the car faster with a cam and the driveshaft bent. Everything on the car melted on track, and I mean everything! Motor mounts, suspension mounts. It was so bad my headers rubbed into my steering column because the engine was shifting so much during lateral loads. My freaking power steering fluid wouldn’t stop boiling over so I had to install a smaller power steering motor. It was over $45,000 just for tear down, full cage prep, fire suppression installation, full track telemetry…etc. I had over $25,000 of carbon aero on this car after fab/installation. Also spent $7,000 on a center carbon hood to try and cool the car (hood was not installed at the time the pic was taken). It was every bit of $100K and I’ll never do it again. Bought a 991.2 GT3 when they first came out. Swapped the PCCB’s (I didn’t spec the car) out for steel AP Racing brakes, through a half cage in and the car NEVER missed a beat. I drove the GT3 at the absolute limit so the rear steering motors would overheat and throw a code but that was it. I have over 20,000 miles on track at Watkins Glen and have seen it all. I know what cars work and which ones don’t. My “$200,000” C6 ZO6 wasn’t as good as my GT3 was right off of the showroom floor. The C7’s were an absolute joke…forced induction track cars make no sense to me. Luckily I was smart enough to learn my lesson and not get a C7 ZO6. I might try the new ZO6 because I like the engine but I have no delusions about any durability it will have on track. Vettes have always been fast for “A” lap. Tadge even said this during the C8 ZO6 reveal. GM has supposedly made a car that can do multiple laps and not break. I really hope they have pulled it off but the reason why people are skeptical is that GM hasn’t done it yet with a Vette.
Image Unavailable, Please Login It was over $4,000 just to remove the exhaust, ship it out for ceramic coating, and have it re-installed.
Car had over $5,000 worth of seats (Race Tech halo) after custom mount fab and install. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Tadge's comment was about the Cup 2R tires, not about the ability of the car to withstand multiple laps. So, your UNMODIFIED GT3 did great, while your extensively modified C6 Z06 had problems....
@Wikdstrate - Man, that was a sweet car. Great color combo too. Bet it was a blast to drive even with the issues.
Yes, because my unmodified ZO6 was total dog sh*t and couldn't even get through a 15 minute session on track.
you modified the hell out of it. Which - not sure why - because a C6 Z with good modern rubber and a decent driver is almost as fast as the same gen GT3 you bought stock for stock on track. The C7 Z is even faster and is a hair away (besides on the **** NBR) from beating the RS of that era you had. sorry to see you spent so much - but I know and have seenu plenty of vents on track. They can take one hell of a beating (not including C7 Z)
typical YouTubers who have rich parents, too lazy to have done a respectable profession, and flaunt around with $100k + cars like they’re Honda accords. They’ll never appreciate it like they ppl Who grinded for it. She is also annoying & the guys look like douches w the sunglasses
Z06 vs 458. 458 smaller and lighter. Z06 more powerful. Chevy may have equaled its numbers but couldn't make something prettier. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a41499134/2023-corvette-z06-vs-ferrari-458
I have a Speciale and an 812GTS, and absolutely adore Ferrari, on several levels. Clearly, Ferrari is #1 in the World for a reason, and Chevy can’t take that away from them—in fact cannot even be compared really. Cars at this level are highly emotional purchases and driving experiences, and only the most obtuse base their assessments on numbers. Having said all that I am thrilled by the Z06, and it is the most desirable car for me now to try and obtain. I love what Chevy have accomplished, almost regardless of price. Setting values aside I’d rather have a Z06 than a Ford GT. The European manufacturers, with the possible exception of Porsche GT division, are clamoring for smaller engines, turbos, hybridization and GPF systems…like lemmings. Chevy obviously have listened to all the automotive enthusiasts bemoaning the loss of the NA screaming engine and said, “**** it, let’s do it fellas!” They’ll get my money.
I don't know how else to say it but I took my unmodified ZO6 to the track and EVERYTHING melted the first day. Those damn "brakelets" (the 6 small brake pads) that came with the car basically disintegrated, I melted the dust boots off of the calipers, and had a massive brake fluid leak. The car overheated and my power steering brake fluid boiled. This all happened THE FIRST DAY I TOOK IT ON Track! If I didn't modify it I would have needed to leave it at home and just drove it to Cars & Coffee events. That's not what I do with cars. I think you're missing my point. The ZO6 just couldn't handle being driven at its' absolute limit. The GT3 had no problem with it. It's that simple. I really think you need to attend a serious track event to see what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about PCA or FCA events where you go out on track 4 or 5 times per day for 20 minute sessions. I'm referring to open track days where guys are getting 5-6 hours of track time per day. Events like Group 52 and Trackmasters. If you can't understand this I can't help you.
Partialy agree with you. But build quality is the No1 question for me as regards the C8. yres its vatly improved, but Gm has a cast catalogue of cheapening out. Was talking to my Neighbour who has had a C6 z06 C7 zo6 and a c7 Gs, he said he'd never get a vette again because to look closely there are areas where rgw car was designed and built by someone who did not care. is the C8 better, by all accounts yes, how much better, and how it holds up to hard use is still unanswered. is the C8 better than a ferrari, if you go to the track yes foir sure, ferraus are Gt cars to parade in, and super-fast on street. The z06 has more of the dual use ability and yes the motor. Is it betetr than a Cayman Gt4Rs, doubtful. In the street legal track world proche has honed its cat over the years and there are a gazillion little things that make the porche great. It also is shorter so more easily pivots about its axis and a lot lighter both of which are serious virtues in terms of ability and driver enjoyment. there's no point in comparing Hp, because track work past a certain point hp does little compared to the other variables, including things like feedback which allow you to get to and play on the limit in a far more accessible manner. Will a corvette interior hold up better in the supermarket sunshine, for sure if thats ones criteria. Is the corvetee useable on road in a way the gt4rs is not, undoubtable, esp if like 90% of use youre doing stoplights highways and parking lots. Back roads, yeah maybe even there because the 4rs has a suspension thats goign to be more track biased and therefore too much for the road. in fact both these cars are too much for the road, and Ill bet on track the differences are primarily driver. But I see 20 year old Gt3 rs runnign really hard and well on track, and no vettes of the same vintage being in the running. History indicates the proche will still be around and able to hack it 10 years from now, sad to say vettes to date dont have that history. Im sure this car is way better developed and more durable, but there are so many little things to miss and vette does not have a great history there, subcomponents do count for a lot. Time will tell and porche is not perfect either.. I'd say the vette is a different animal and an appealing car in its own right. A browning Hi power is a very different experience to a 9mm glock. Ferrari pista is very different to a lambo STO. For where I live and what i plan to do, the vette is a better choice. But also assuming both cars were available and for the same price, its a tough choice, but then im very track biased. Even then id go vette if I had real confidence in the build(conceptually I prefer it, and on porches the $ on track can add up fast) but you know Gm they're going to cheap out somewhere, if thats not material to operations and or easily correctable no Biggie, hey Im coming from lotus so clearly panel gaps are not an issue, but blown motors etc are, and vettes on track are serial offenders in prior gens. What convinces me about the vette apart from the numbers is not prior vettes but how good and durable the current Camaros are. if youre a street guy, the vettes is a better choice for most roads in USA, on track that GT4rs is the car to beat. im waiting for the brit car mag reviews, the home team always loves the home team product, the evo mag and chris harris comparison between the 4rs and the z06 will be telling. Heres the great part, that we even debate this says much about how good the vette is.
Sorry but this is nonsense. I saw a C6 z06 crash because its brake lines melted. Gim didn't see fit to spend the extra $50 per car to do it right. Ill be the c8 does not have that issue, but you wonder what GM may have missed or forced the vette team to skip. Ive seen more than my fair share of C7 gs blow motors too and some c6 z06s habitually ate valves etc..Course porches are not vicelss, we did see Gt3s blowing coolant and oil hoses at some point. As I said above, the observed durability of the new camaro zl1 1 lt is what gives me great hope Gm got it right.
Z was from Zora Duntov (the so called father of the Corvette) and he made special projects with the Corvette upgrading them. He gave them each a number. 06 was one of them. The original Z06 goes back to the early 60's. Some of these cars were only made and sold "word of mouth" and never offered to the general public. You could special order one at the dealer if you knew about it. It was rare but not impossible in the 60's and 70's to special order a luxury or high performance car from a dealer.
Yep. I thought it interesting it stands for “Zora Option 6,” and the “O” was changed to the number “0.”
For laughs went to the porche website and specked a Gt4 Rs, came to 151 K, about what a z06 with z07 package would cost. Porche also says the Gt4 Rs wont be "limited production" Two good choices then.
Z07 pkg is 8995, but it requires you to get the carbon aero pkg, which is ~10k So ostensibly the Z07 pkg is a 19k option.
