Of course ! But enjoy one last time because the magic happens ! After, do as in a divorce, turn the page this is how it should be seen
Im pretty sure they've been doing all sorts of piping for sonic reasons for a while. When I got my 458 many years ago, I remarked to my mechanic I didnt like how they made it seem like surround sound exhaust- he said they have a pipe from the engine- he could plug it up... we decided to make the exhaust louder
https://www.scuderiacarparts.com/part/235797/ferrari/310096/sound-generator.html#fitment Models with 'sound generator' 488 GTB F12 TDF California T 488 Spider GTC4Lusso T 488 Pista 488 Pista Spider F8 Tributo (also SF90 and 296 but not the the link above) seems the 458 family and 812 (and F12B, FF and Lusso V12?) do not have a 'sound generator'
My stomach growls louder than 68 db. A Ferrari does not make noise. It makes music; therefore, does not apply!
My mechanic begs to differ- he says they just didnt label it until later. I believe 812 has some plumbing for this purpose as well. Just saying they've been doing this for a long time. Its street cars. Its all about what excites you. If you can run a pipe and make the sound seem better to most people..... they also do this with exhaust tuning. Is that honest? I guess it depends on who you ask.
My understanding is that the sound tubes with the diaphragm at the end had been present going back to at least the 599. This was discussed four or five years ago. Its artificial in the sense that sound is introduced into an area where it was not present as opposed to tuning the sound of a system that already emits sound. Synthetic sound (electronically created such as in EVs or over the radio) is automotive heresy punishable by boycott and public humiliation!
What if manufacturers placed a mic inside the exhaust then played it back live through the speakers? It’s a thin line.
Ahhh! Noise pollution…reminds me of the old adage: The solution to pollution is dilution. If Ferrari sells roughly 10K cars per year vs 75M generic cars that works out to about 1 out of 7500 cars is a Ferrari That is a lot of dilution. Problem solved[emoji4] Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Not at all, RHT will be 40% of the overall production, production number very similar to overall F12 production Luque
Are you comparing just the RHT production to overall F12 production or the the combined production of coupe + RHT to overall F12 production?
I am not an expert in this area by any means but I was always under the impression that the V12 era was coming to an end because of the impending EU emissions regulations that take effect in 2025. While Ferrari can always pay the fines (they’re nowhere near the 90g co2/km today), public perception could turn and electrification is the future so it was just time to get onboard. I believe that’s why Ferrari decided to extend 812 production and fill all reservation holders - because there’s not enough time left to build a new model before 2025 so they are building all the V12s they can before shutting down the V12 foundry. Again, I’m not an expert here so just throwing the idea out there. https://climate.ec.europa.eu/eu-action/transport-emissions/road-transport-reducing-co2-emissions-vehicles/co2-emission-performance-standards-cars-and-vans_en Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
You’re suggesting Ferrari won’t be making any more V12? Also on a separate note I believe the new Euro 7 rules are meant to be published next month.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/eu-plans-ditch-new-euro-7-regulations-deemed-too-costly interesting to see what will be published and the impact this will have on the V12 and Ferrari lineup in general as well as to the pace of hybridisation / electrification
In Ferrari sales plan, F167 forecasted production numbers are very similar to the F12 numbers (5000 cars, w/o TDF). Of that volumes around 40% are RHT Luque
I see in that case it will be lower than 812SF + GTS the production number of 812SF only ( excluding GTS) is already bigger than the F12B. so will ferrari decide to make the F167 rarer than the 812 at a time they need to extract as much money as t
Can you please explain the overall time period planning that will enable Ferrari to simultaneously produce 7000+ Purosangue and 5000+ F167 from a V12 production line, that, in its history, has not yet exceeded 2200 engines per year and recently far less (1700)? With the presumption that other V12 models will also be produced at the same time. Is this the first time Ferrari has simultaneously produced two different V12 models with high production quantity expectations? Further, it appears Purosangue production has already commenced, however several other V12 models remain in production (812GTS, SP3, 812c, 812cA, ...) and if future Iconas incorporate the V12, that will further impact production. Thank you for your insights.
I think your V12 PS numbers might be a bit optimistic. Last I heard, they weren’t expecting to produce more than 5,000. And in answer to your question about production quantity expectations, FF and F12 were produced simultaneously and numbered around 8,400 units including TdF over a 6 year time horizon (2011-17). Ferrari has emissions derogation to 2028 for EU registered vehicles (which make up just under 50% of sales). From 2025-28, the emission level must be 15% below the 2021 limit of 277g/km which should be readily achieved with the 296 in the mix. So there will be another 6 years of V12s being sold in Europe and if European orders are prioritised, other markets can be served once the 2028 derogation deadline passes so it’s quite easy to see how 10,000 V12s can be produced. The table below is from the EU derogation decision. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Please note that 8,000 Purosangue production was recently mentioned as a possibility: https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/posts/148698244/ So, that would be 13,000 total volume in addition to remaining 812GTS, 812c, 812cA, SP3, I speculate that more than 2000 combined production remains to be completed. That would exceed 15,000 V12, it might take Ferrari 10 years to build that out unless the V12 line can consistently production 2000+ V12 per year (which has not yet occurred for multiple consecutive years). As for EU CO2 derogations, thank you, but, the EU is less than half production, so, as you indicate the initial production will bias to EU, however, recent Euro7 news is that is it not happening, if so, no longer a concern. And there are a variety of methods to circumvent (end of life model for instance).
F152M VS and F251 will end producton in 2023, for sure it will be an interesting V12 production peak in 2025 (F175 + F167) so let's see what is going to happen ... By the way I don't think next Icona will be V12 Luque
Did we miss something and was there already a private preview for the F167?! By the way: Today I found an illustration by Nicolas Fourny that shows a modern Daytona successor. The rendering looks clean, beautiful, and timeless. I hope the F167 goes a bit in that direction (and perhaps integrates only some of the very best elements of the PS)...
