The lights are very well integrated, the rear is the strong point of the car, very muscular
Even going back to the much earlier 355 the rear has been a strong feature of the Ferrari design series. The 288 GTO perhaps being the pinnacle of the design progression. A few missteps along the way but the general trend has been positive, lately.
Yes, but it is more difficult to achieve the rear on a front center with the rear window. Especially since there, we have a short rear after the wheels. It's good to end the V 12 adventure with this 'modern classic' design
Well: Strong, muscular hips help to hide this. And if you put the rear window more vertically (example: 812 GTS), it would be less noticeable. Perhaps the rear window design of the F167 goes in this direction. This could make sense because a GTS version will follow.
I'm quite curious to see the opinions when it has been presented, but I'm pretty sure that for once, we'll all agree !
Perhaps like the flock of birds that change direction en masses the SF90 will be a distant memory as special clients embrace the front engined V12 yet again. Though as the SF90 proved; huge horsepower trumps design controversies...
The round (classic) single taillights are well integrated on the F12 Berlinetta. Although the GTC4 and 812 SF have nicer individual lights, the integration of the round lights in the 812 SF is less successful (IMO). @day355: If you describe 'modern classic' as seen in my image below, we both are “on the same line“... Image Unavailable, Please Login
There is nothing inherently controversial about a design. One either likes it or not. What others think is inconsequential. The V12s have a technically superior engine (the God of all engines, the N/A V12), but they are compromised in their layout (front-mid). Do you remember how much the Pininfarina designed F12 was berated on this forum, when it was launched?
The F 12 is considered a masterpiece at the design center. 167 is not an F 12 and is the opposite of 812 because the gaze is not lost on a multitude of details and line breaks. I really think it will come into its own in traffic, in the middle of other cars, in motion. It refers to the good times of Ferrari with nods to the past, such as the opening of the bonnet which is a spectacle.
Yes, and this is EXACTLY what they’ve done with the Roma. It silly two dimensional pictures it looks good however the impact of the design is noticeably felt in person, in traffic. Among other cars it looks like a svelte and sexy spaceship.
It must be considering they've copied it in nearly every other model including the SUV. I hope you are right about the 167. Very hard to believe Manzoni has it in him.
Yes it really is taste, myself, I always fall in love with graceful feminine shapes. Same goes for cars
“It must be considering they've copied it in nearly every other model including the SUV.“ (Solid State) What else should you do with a “masterpiece“ but to copy it? “Very hard to believe Manzoni has it in him.“ (Solid State) Quick career search of the following guys: Alberto Agnari, Andrea Ortile, Carlo Parlazzani, Daniele Costa, Marco Marinò, Matteo De Petris, Stefano De Simone. All of them have worked for pininfarina. Some others have worked for Bertone and Zagato. So yes, i think Mr. Manzoni has it in him... “Matter of taste. I always found the 812 a much better design.“ (REALZEUS) “I agree, in a more masculine aggressive way.“ (john Owen) That was exactly the aim of the 812 Superfast design team. Andrea Militello (Head of Ferrari GT Cars Exterior Design) says: “For the 812, the main issue was to remodulate the F12’s peaks of elegance, which part of the management considered excessive. In essence, we were asked to make the car nastier.” Source: https://autodesignmagazine.com/en/2018/07/ferrari-488-pista-812-superfast-lalchimia-della-prestazione/ (nastier doesn't mean uglier!) So: Every time the F12 Berlinetta supporters praise the F12, the 812 Superfast supporters come out and claim the 812 SF is the nicer car. This is quite natural. I hope that the F167 will reunite these two parties. If day355 wasn't wrong this seems to be possible. Why is this desirable? Because the heart of Ferrari beats in these Super GTs (IMO). No one else in this world can build such magnificant cars (including the 812 Superfast).
Yes but the 812 supporters are blind and obviously fat because they like bloated cars. Now, the important question isn’t the design or “design language” per se or the rear bloody lights (seriously, I mean seriously, wtf cares about rear bloody light design?) it’s how much of a fat boy is it going to be? They corrected the 599 being supersized down to the perfect F12 and then they put it in the fat boy 812 suit.
An inch, that is what is being debated it seems. The 812 being about an inch wider and a bit over an inch longer than the F12. The front track stays the same but about an inch is only added to the rear track on the 812. I wonder how much 'handling' performance would be lost if the 812 was downsized to a footprint the size of a Daytona. Not the new Daytona but the old 1968 one.
Inches indeed. And as your mistress will tell you: inches matter. An 812 is not more masculine or any of that bollox, its just been at the supersized big macs. Shrink wrap it back down pls.
So F167 will only be offered to selected clients and sold out on launch day? Or will simple mortals,like myself,be able to order one eventually (as was the case with the 812)?
