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Miura, the original supercar

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  1. joe sackey

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    Got it.
     
  2. Olivier NAMECHE

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    Beside the regular citation of Top Motors, which is of course a very good reference, they are several other Officinas around Sant Agata whith skilled factory retired mechanics in a radius of 5 to 7 km away from factory.

    Giancarlo Breveglieri is an official Lambo workshop in Crevalcore, about 6 km away from the factory.

    Since one of the eminent retired factory mechanic is working with him : Giancarlo Barbieri , they became one of the factory contractors for Polo Storico.

    Barbieri is a very good fellow of mine for 15 years now, who was in charge of engine test Bench for R&D, so he has the "knowledge" as he spent whole his career at Sant'Agata.

    here is place => https://www.autofficinabreveglieri.it/
     
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  6. joe sackey

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    #17406 joe sackey, Jan 14, 2019
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    Garbage find is a good way to put it, these cars were simply abandoned, the images & film are an exhibition of an automotive crime, just looking at the images, I wonder what parts of that Miura can be restored?

    I mean body, chassis, suspension, brakes & engine, everything must be severely corroded and some components may not even be restorable as they have by now lost their tensile strength, the interior has surely rotted away, even the glass may be severely delaminated.

    I would have a really good restoration specialist who is very familiar with Miuras subject this P400 to close scrutiny before bidding, as this could become the world's most expensive P400 post-restoration.
     
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  7. Olivier NAMECHE

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    Joe,

    I saw the Ruggieri's collection thanks to Mr Labourdette (ex owner of Mimran's Countach #112.1312) back in 2011, the Miura was already in that poor shape, you need more or less 380.000 € to ressurect it, and yes, as you mentionned many parts needs to be replaced for safety reasons Under Cornering & Driving…

    But it will not be the world most expensive post restoration because #4701 that I brought to Polo Storico is even a much higher restoration budget...
     
  8. With an open bar...600k. What a sorry shape Miura.
     
  9. vfinaldi

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    #17409 vfinaldi, Jan 15, 2019
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    600K Euros or 600K US Dollars? Not that it matters much, because both are very high numbers for that car. It would have been interesting to see it in person. Sometimes dust, dirt and minor surface rust can hide a car with surprisingly good bones, and sometimes very bad cars can be camouflaged with a nice paint job. That's one of the reasons I like attending auctions in person-the hammer price usually doesn't tell the entire story. I very seriously doubt that's the case with this car. It looks to be in horrible condition, and the rust seems very advanced in the chassis. Whoever bought this car must have parts for the restoration already. Otherwise, the numbers would never come close to working out for a restoration, which I estimate to cost about 450,000 Euros if done properly, not including parts.
     
  10. cnpapa24

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    Yes, I think one would be lucky to get this done at €450K. It seems it would make sense to simply find a better car no matter the price. How much you have into the car is never the only factor.
     
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    What will Polo Storico do for 4701 for more than 380k Eu?

    Agreed.
     
  12. bb4635

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    Olivier, without any fantasy, I just imagine that you meant #4710 (Gombert's Miura) when you wrote #4701 (Eddie Van Halen Miura) that you have brought to PoloStorico ?
    When we indicate chassis numbers here, we must at least be precise, typos are unwelcome, otherwise it is useless...
    Bruno
     
  13. bb4635

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    In case it is really #4701, I'm curious to learn if its expensive restoration will bring it back to its original verde metallizzato color or not ? And in an original Miura P400S livery ? without its custom rear bonnet ?
    If it is #4710, having personnally seen the starting point, I can easily understand its expensive restoration cost...
    Thank-you by advance Oliver for your information and clarification for all of us.
     
  14. US. Just a guess for fun. What realistic price do you see?
     
  15. vfinaldi

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    Gombert's sold for 150K Euros a couple years ago. This one is in much better shape. Given approximately a 500K or more Euro restoration cost, and a value of about 1MM Euro, I would expect the final number to be south of 500K Euro. Still a lot depends on the condition and which parts are salvageable. But who knows, crazy things happen at auctions.
     
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    Agreed, accuracy with chassis numbers is essential, in this case depending on which car we are talking about, the restoration costs will be vastly different.

    Verde Metallizzato would be beautiful.

    I'm not sure 4701 had a custom rear bonnet from the factory.

    Whether it is 4701 or 4710, I would really like to know exactly what work Polo Storico does, what work is done in-house, what work is sublet, and precisely which sublets are carrying out the work on behalf of Polo Storico. The answers to these questions will instill confidence in the program and help dispel some concerns that have currently arisen.
     
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    Going to see this car tomorrow at the Bonhams Scottsdale Auction. I will post some pics for the forum!

     
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  19. vfinaldi

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    It's trimmed as an S right now.
     
  20. unrealcarsonly

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    The red paint could be Glyptal 1201. This paint was used to seal porous castings that otherwise would not be 100% oil leak proof. Example: Salisbury differential used on Jaguar, Cobra, ISO, etc. These castings were painted with Glyptal inside and out. Since the Webers would occasionally send some fuel into the air box, the paint inside had to be oil / gasoline proof, otherwise bits of dissolved paint could be sucked into the Webers. Glyptal 1201 is still available.
     
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  21. vfinaldi

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    4976 did not sell and stopped at $1,500,000 USD. I couldn't make it to the auction because something unexpected came up, so sorry no pics from the venue. Looks like the color and engine changes really hurt this one. Interesting point, the auctioneer called it "staggeringly original." ;)
     
  22. LC3929

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    Always those long Miura chassis numbers, that's so difficult! If they only had used shorter chassis numbers for the Miura...:(
     
  23. RPMMarcus

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    Yes! FOUR digits!! But if it was only 1 he could make a 6 from a 9.. i already seen sooo much errors from this mister.. same on the 400GT thread.. i think if you want to be a historican you can’t make these errors and also first check better before you post something about a car...
     
  24. LC3929

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    Hey, he only makes such mistakes when driving! If 6 was 9... :)
     

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