Miura, the original supercar

Twiggy's old Miura seen at the 50th Anniversary in Melbourne.
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Conductor? Now that is rich. Where do you come up with this stuff?

 

Thank you very much for this confirmation… I'm not a ferrari guy, so I cannot use that argument so far, now I can.

Thus, the direct neighbour is doing the same, what a coincidence !

I trust the fact too many people are expecting the factory Polo Storico to act like an independent shop working in a lost desert in California to refurbish or to restore a jewel inhouse, just because these shops don't have any other possibilities…

The real factor is the mentality in the area of Modena/Bologna, this is HOW THEY ALWAYS DID for last 80 years… contracting outside nearby factory… why do you expect them to change ?

 

I guess nobody want to change anything...

In my opinion, Polo Storico shows a different image to the public. Lifting platforms are shown and cars parked there are half-dismantled, although internal inventories, approvals and certificates are probably the only things that are made in Sant´Agata. If Polo Storico would play a little more with open cards, there might be fewer critics among us.

Of course, the price differences between a "polo Storico" restoration and the one directly from suppliers like Top-motors, Interni, Cremonini will be questioned if you get the same quality for less. The advantage is that you only have one contact person who takes care of the coordination if he has the right expertise.

 

I Don't see anything controversial in their website : https://www.lamborghini.com/en-en/ownership/polo-storico

Roma wasn't built in one year… mistakes are made to be corrected, they learn from their mistakes… how do you compare a new division with similar ones much older in the other brands ?

They selfcorrect themselves every years on details & strategy, the team is changing & improving in skills

You should be less critical against the factory, the critics are not made in a positive way.

For example (no offense to you), you would have spent 350.000 € in restoration of a Miura and wouldn't be satisfied then I would understand your motivation to critize the factory, but you are not such wealthy client to have spent that amount to restore Miura by Polo Storico.

Speaking about customers 's satisfaction, so far there was only one real complain I have been aware of and it has been solved since…

How is it at Porsche ? Ferrari ? Aston Martin ? Heaven at 100% ?

 

And you?

 

I was not aware you know more about my financial situation than me.

Please watch what you're writing. My criticism is in no way meant to be evil, not against the Lamborghini company, nor against any other person involved. However, there are some examples that show that there is not enough investment in research or that the right people may not be in the right position.

I do not compare other companies, i speak just about Lamborghini and what i noticed in the last couple of years.
Some weeks ago, Lamborghini factory was not able to source spark plugs for a Lamborghini Countach, a certified Lamborghini workshop in Germany asked me to help me out. I have several other examples. I thought Polo Storico is there to solve these problems? Furthermore i know from other people who asked Polo Storico for parts, no response...

 

Olivier, perhaps you do not see anything controversial because you are either not looking closely enough, or because you do not want to disclose what you know to be true. Here is a video for you to watch. I did not create the video, Polo did:

Do you see the man who is working on the car, with a uniform that says "Polo Storico"? Do you also see many workers in Lamborghini uniforms laboring on several different classic Lamborghini's at once? What is the impression you get when you view this video that was produced by Polo and is used by it for advertising and marketing of its restoration services? Would a prospective client be justified in thinking this was Polo's dedicated in-house restoration facility? Would you be surprised to learn that it is not? This shop is not even near Modena. I know where it is. Would a prospective client be justified in believing these are Polo and Lamborghini workers, given the fact that they are wearing Polo and Lamborghini uniforms? Would you be surprised to lean they are not? Those are not even the shop's workers. Most of them are paid actors. I happen to believe this is very controversial, but perhaps I am a bit sensitive. Ask me how I know.

Well this is an interesting point. I don't see this disclosure anywhere from Polo-that they are learning and correcting themselves on someone else's project. Essentially, they are learning on your car? And, instead of receiving a discount for providing a donor car to learn on, they charge a premium to cover the shop's charge plus a profit for them to deliver a sub-standard product? Pretty nice deal if you can get it. Do you not see this as a genuine problem? Put yourself in the client's position and imagine it being your car and 350-450K Euros.

Classic ad hominem argument-attempting to attack someone's character (alleged lack of wealth) to distract from the topic at hand. Olivier, it does not matter how much wealth one has. In fact, one who attempts to point out the lack of wealth in others demonstrates a depletion of wealth of character in himself.

There have been at least 4 cars pulled from Polo by their owners that I know of. Many complaints in addition to that. Perhaps you do not know this, but I do. Ask me how I know.

Olivier, this is not an attack on you personally. I am sure you are a nice and affable person. However, when you represent yourself as a "Lamborghini Historian," "Lamborghini Author," and "Polo Storico Consultant," then your words necessarily carry a different weight and meaning on this forum than the words of an average enthusiast not carrying such titles. Whether rightfully deserved or not. And as such, it is important to make sure what you write is factually correct. Many times, you have stated incorrect facts about people's classic Lamborghini's that they love and have purchased, only after many years of toil, hard work and dedication to their craft. You have misstated numbers. These misstatements can seriously affect the value of someone's vehicle. That's why it is important not to throw "facts" and "numbers" around willy nilly. You have misrepresented what goes on at Polo-a place you are affiliated with in a business sense. I will not ask whether you have received any compensation from Polo. That would complicate things severely, wouldn't it? But further deflecting when forum members bring up these issues, by stating such things as:

yet then stating such things as:

end up making people not believe, or not trust you.

Many people use this forum for informational purposes. Some are looking to restore their classic Lamborghini's. I have done my research. I have spent considerable time in Italy, have been to most of the shops, and have met and spoken with many of the good, reputable and dedicated owners and workers. My father and family are from Italy, and I come from a long line of automotive restorers, painters and body men.

For the benefit of the forum, and to get it back on track and away from nonsense and misinformation, I will gladly share some of the very useful information I have gathered through several years of legitimate research and work, especially regarding some very notable shops that do excellent work in the area. If no one cares, I will not bother.

 

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, but you are not such wealthy client to have spent that amount to restore Miura by Polo Storico

Lemacc, forgive this mister, he made this post driving in very busy traffic. He was complaining about my gramatica errors while he was typing my name wrong, these are the best professionals Ha Ha Ha it would be very intersting to take a few hours to point out all his errors about chassis Numbers and cars ( is worse then grammatica...) but i am not going to waste my time on that.. He forgot to mention that paying a lot of money to be on a famous website does also not make you a historian..

 

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Well, POLO STORICO is not doing this services because they could not sleep...! Its a great money-making business, too!
Mercedes was the first who started to restore their old cars - but inhouse! BMW followed - inhouse and outsourcing. Porsche followed - inhouse! Ferrari created their "Classiche program (inhouse and outsourcing) and it became a huge success. They also made tons of $$$$s (a friend of mine paid Euro 600k for the work and certification of his 250GTO!). Today you can not sell a Ferrari from up Euro 500k without the certification.
Also Porsche Classic does not take any prisoners when it comes to money!

So - they are all in it for the money (Frank Zappa)...

 

Phantastic post, really phantastic in every respect. And written in a very polite style. Super!

 

In the meantime, here is a nice video of Massimo Cairati demonstrating how an expertly-rebuilt and tuned Miura engine should run. Alzate il volume (turn up the sound). Lightning fast throttle response. No flat spots. No popping. Smooth and sounds like ripping silk. These cars were not meant to be garage queens. They were meant to be driven! Bravo!

 

Sorry Leo, as I wrote : no intention to offense you - we know each others.

It is wrong to extract words out of their context, before starting that specific sentence I start saying took "an example" like a kind of… let's say assumption, again the intention wasn't to offense.

So taking few words out of the example to biaise words seems to please few guys wondering to put oil and to scratch the match… they will recognise themselves.

...and me ? was another question ! Me too of course, I have not brought my Miura to be restored by Polo Storico ?

I can sleep with that, I sold my Miura P400 #3015 some years ago before the Polo Storico was born…


Vfinaldi,

Very interesting video, as you point and I do confirm many people are not factory employees. Actors ? I Don't know, you affirm that, I'm not in the secret of the video… but you seems to know more, so thanks for having shared with us.

Is a potential Customer cheated by Polo Storico after watching or not watching that video ? is that what you meant in your comment as I Don't catch it.

You will agree with me, that all the people working for the factory, have a specific contract full of obligations to respect…

About some of your comments, some I do respect while others are pure fantasy and Don't even deserve an answer, I would like to point you also the fact that I'm very close to your own course, like you. I had Bulls restored, so I think I have a little knowledge like you do. BTW, my family business in which I grow up was the AutoDistribution network.

If you want to balance the numerous people who were/are satisfied by my contributions with the few typing mistakes ( You wrote : You have misstated Numbers.) that your witch hunt completely disgusts many people reading this forum (knowing the encouragements I got today), I know it is well balanced positively with the number of people satisfied by all my interventions, contributions & information gifts.

but I will pay more attention to my writtings and will follow your Wise advise.

 

Olivier, I assure you this is not a witch hunt. And most certainly, the issues stated in my post are not "fantasy." I am simply looking to correct errors and misstatements, protect potential consumers, and prevent such errors from happening in the future, for the betterment of the community and these cars we all know and love. It's nothing personal. In fact, there are some things that Polo can do well, such as certify cars using their extensive archive. I take no issue with that. And I confirm that you have added a considerable positive contribution to the community and this site. But that was not the subject of my response post.

 

Joe,
well, not always. Of course you can controll inhouse much easier - but outsourcing can be better, depending on what kind of payment proceedure was agreed.

 

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Miura S #4755 just finds a new home in Belgium…

It has found its new place in a private Gallery, whose aim is clearly to use the cars and not to store them.

#4755 was born Arancio / nero, with engine #30573 , delivered the 9th October 1970 to Hubert Hahne, German importer.

It is full Matching Numbers, 674th Bertone body or 574th Miura made, well restored and still in its orignal color scheme.

Thanks to Bruno some while ago, one of my Vintage pics was identified as #4755 when it was already in south of France.
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Joe,

we did not talk about skill & experiance - we just talked about controll of the restoration process.

 

For the ones present at 2017 Neufchatel Lamborghini Concours of Elegance, it was the Opportunity to see or to discover #3877 belonging to one of ours LCB members, despite the fact the wheels & side skirts were gold paint instead of silver + the interior retrimmed in black leather as these were reported in the Classiche certification, it got the "book"...

One more Miura S to have left Belgium end of last year…

Factory builsheet :

Telaio #3877
Motore #2748
Bertone carrozzeria #313
Colore : Rosso Corsa / Skay nero – velluto beige
Consegna : 21/01/1969
Concesionnaro : Autoelite – Italy
Cliente : Mr Cattadori
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It got Polo Storico certified with SV wheels???? Also the rear wheels don't look like they are positioned correctly in the wheel well.