Maybe they were planning a Miriam DD series :)
Of course he did. You didnt know that? What better way to further his own agenda. I buy every magazine with the Countach in it. Thats an issue I skipped . lol
Joey is a different person than Joe. I can only think that 1) You made a mistake. 2) Your being an ass. Next time I will assume #2.
When he started the Anniversary thread, that was the greatest variant also Of course he had one to sell soon there after
Sure, the FIA Homologation means nothing to the 272 owners of 288 GTOs, and that car didn't race either You forget that nobody cares what the owner of a Fuelie thinks on this issue, 300 Downdraft owners care, and that's really all that matters, just like the 272 288 GTO owners who care. You simply show your ignorance on this very simple automotive issue as regards FIA Homologation, I havent met an astute collector who didn't immediately understand and in fact embrace this accreditation. The significance of FIA Homologation is not the end-result on the track, it's the fact that the manufacturer selected that particular variant as opposed to another. FYI, there are Countach owners on this very forum who collect FIA Homologated cars. As for Valentino, I work with him, I spoke to him just yesterday, he says, you and Allan Fiedler should please stop misinterpreting what he said, its shameful. Of course I had a direct influence in the article! I produced it, I did the research and and the cars used were mine, why on earth would I not have an influence? You seem to be a bit slow on how publications work, I also wrote and published 2 complete books in their entirety http://joesackeyclassics.com/authored-books/the-lamborghini-miura-bible/ & http://joesackeyclassics.com/authored-books/the-book-of-the-ferrari-288-gto/ published in English, German & French worldwide, and those books are for the purpose of getting a message across as is the case with any publication. The person who does all the work and makes the effort gets to have the input and receive credit. Welcome to the real world, it appears you have some catching up to do. Stay tuned, there are a few more publications upcoming including a good book, and yes, I have direct influence. Please enlighten yourself with some research if you care that much about this topic, much enlightening material has been posted by me already. I realize that you're the 3rd member of the 3 Stooges vaudeville act here, but comedy is really not your strong point. If you do a little reading & research you'll find out that the Countach Evoluzione had some bearing on the FIA Homologation and a planned one-make series in GT1. A decade later, my friend Stephane Ratel made this concept a reality under FIA sanctioning with the Diablo SVR one-make race series. I feel sure none of the publications noticed or cared, and there are a couple more coming up you can skip as well. Define greatest? In fact I never used that word, what I said is that the 25th being at the developmental end-of-the-series was the best built, best handling Countach and my position on that is unchanged. Reminds me of the end of Mayweather vs Ortiz, the latter was being an ass
DD is antiquated garbage. Lambo knew what the future held, and embraced it. FIA HOMOLAGATION is meaningless, and FI is far superior to carbs.
Thanks god I neither own a DD (anymore) nor a FI, else I would feel like being fallen into a "Kindergarten"... I think about 99,99% of the users of this forum feel the same!
I think that's a sweeping assumption which I beg to differ on because I actually converse with a fair number of users of this forum offline, and by-and-large the sentiment is that if you read between the lines, a lot of useful exclusive & useful information gets imparted in many of the threads of these forums, that's why they exist. The back-and-forth is simply how forums can be, sometimes.
another strange thing, as a manufacture to enter inn this class,you would have to produce 200 cars within a 12 months period,,clearly impossible for Lamborghini at the time. I think Valentino makes a good point here, come to think of it,my sisters Opel Kadett (repainted burgundy with pale blue interior,door jambs still blue)back at the time,might have been homologated. Anyway ,enough of this nonsense.
Nils, do you know how many of the manufacurers actually produced 200 cars in one year let alone all 200 cars needed for homologation in Group B? The answer is very few if any. It is widely known that the rules on this were very loose.
Joe, Your promotion of FIA Homologation seems inconsistent to me. You promote how important it is for the Countach, but ignore it on the Miura. For the Miura the P400 is FIA Homologationed but the S and SV are not, yet I have never known you promote the P400 over the other two. There are 6 other Lamborghinis besides the Countach that are FIA Homologationed but I have not seen you promoting those. Why is FIA Homologation only important for the Countach? Cheers Jim
Sorry Jim, but in fact my promotion of the FIA Homologation is very consistent as it's focus is simply pointing out that the factory FIA Homologated the Downdraft rather than the Fuelie, nothing more or less, and the significance lies in the variant chosen to be FIA Homologated. There is a reason the factory went with the Downdraft and not the Fuelie. This basic premise surely cannot be that hard to understand. Sorry, but I haven't ignored FIA Homologation with the Miura P400 & P400S, I've mentioned this a number of times before in the Miura thread as it relates to the P400, in particular Anatolly Arutunoff's USA SCCA participation and Robert Crevits Belgian Hillclimb participation. I have also mentioned it in my book as it relates to the P400S and Bob Wallace's application for FIA Appendix J for the cars. After ownership of 5 Miura SVs, I started to fall more in love with Ferrari Supercars and then with Countachs again, culminating the last few years with the Downdraft, so that's where my focus lies. If my past referencing of the Miura's FIA Homologation seems insufficient to you, perhaps it's because it was never opposed with such a hue & cry by the owners of Miura SVs which were not Homologated. Also, if you think the Miura P400 & P400S should receive more recognition for their FIAHomologation, feel free to do so yourself, and be assured I'll chime in to support the importance of same. This should not rest on my shoulders alone. Similarly, I am not responsible for championing the cause of cars I have no interest in either personally or for my clients, so it's not my job to promote the 5 or 6 other Lamborghinis that are FIA Homologated besides the Countach & Miura, someone who is interested in those other cars may take up that task if they wish. The car I care about and am interested in at the moment which happens to be FIA Homologated is the Countach Downdraft, and simply pointing out that this is the case should not cause waves of insecurity from people who do not own one. I care about it, as I suspect do @ 350 Downdraft owners, and I'm sure most Downdraft owners are not too concerned about what non-Downdraft owners think. The same applies to the 272 288 GTO owners who care about their FIA Homologation. Meanwhile, nowhere have I said or suggested that the FIA Homologation is only important for the Countach, and focusing on the Downdraft in recent times should not infer this.
The trouble is, Valentino makes no such point. As we are currently working with him on a project, I spoke to him for @ 45 mins today, and long story short he will soon discuss both the engine power and the FIA Homologation issue as it relates to the QV, in his own words in a recorded medium, so his views are clear and not subject to further misrepresentation. Valentino of course understands the basic importance of FIA Homologation, as does any person who has worked with in the sports car industry for 50 years, and he was personally involved in some of the engine power-testing that took place @ Sant Agata so he is familiar with the comparative data that Ing Luigi Marmirolli has supplied us for our upcoming publication. Stay tuned.
Well that's funny, because I actually did speak to him today for 45 minutes as I can prove, and he is absolute at his insistence that your claim that you just spoke to him the other day is as true as your assertion over & over that you never said you'd love to own a Downdraft Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Things Valentino never said.. The Lamborghini Miura might be the original supercar, but the Countach defines the genre. Dubbed LP500 for its 5.0-liter V-12, the first prototype debuted at the Geneva Motor Show in 1971. Time stopped, the world gawked, and orders flooded in. Road-ready examples, christened LP400 to reflect production displacement, began leaving Sant’Agata three years later. The car saved Lamborghini from financial ruin, permeated pop culture, and reinvented itself continuously: LP400S, Turbo, Quattrovalvole. More aero, fatter tires, meaner spec. By the time production ended, in 1990, the Countach commanded six-figure dealer sums, Ferrari’s respect, and a Roman cavalry's worth of horsepower at the rear wheels. But you already know all that. Hell, everybody does. In fact, you've probably heard what countach means in Piedmontese, and seen the director’s cut of Cannonball Run, to boot. Okay, wiseguy—you want to really nerd out? Waste a little time feasting on a pile of obscure Italian supercar factoids? Done. Here are five things you didn’t know about the Lamborghini Countach. 1. The famous 1986 top speed car was a cheater NEWSPRESS Countach performance is the stuff of legend. Some of it’s legit; a lot is B.S. Valentino Balboni, Lamborghini’s longtime test driver, says more than a few “official” top speeds set at the Nardo test track are bunk. Lamborghini doctored tires, removed mirrors and wipers, even hollowed out suspension joints—anything to beat Ferrari. Not exactly surprising. But, in terms of mythos, the LP5000S Quattrovalvole trumps all. Claims of the car hitting 100 mph in 10 seconds, and handily breaking 200 mph, mostly trace their origins to a landmark 1986 Fast Lane magazine road test, where editor Peter Dron rode with F1 driver Pierluigi Martini in a then-new QV. Dron witnessed the speedo “reading 325 kmh” (201.9 mph), and clocked the flying kilometer at 11.46 seconds at a heady 314.1 kmh (195.2 mph). Balboni remembers that car; the factory rigged the airbox. Intake spacers gave Martini’s QV, the gnarliest hexa-carbureted Euro-spec model, a healthy bump in top-end power, and an edge in the test.
And yes, I said I'd love to own a DD to test against my f/I. Who wouldn't? But if I really wanted a DD why wouldn't I buy the one at Wearecurated? It's been for sale for awhile now and asking only $495k. Maybe its cause I dont want one. As for pointing out anyone's inconstant statements, one needs to only read your self serving 25th Anniversary thread.
