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  1. joe sackey

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    #20126 joe sackey, Sep 16, 2022
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    Different opinions are just fine.

    No, Rennsport Werkstadt did not do all of the chassis, body, paint and interior work, you were mis-informed, the aforementioned entities I mentioned in post 20124 did, we have all of the restoration records consisting of literally hundreds of pages of invoices and notes with progress images including Jeff's confirming who did the work. Howard DeHaven's Rennsport Werkstadt in Tulsa simply disassembled the car, we have documentation and images of that also. Jeff Stephan coordinated everything and completed the restoration.

    Meanwhile, we are proud to have acquired the car in a deal which Blake's widow was happy with, and re-sold it into a prominent Supercar collection of our VIP client where rest assured it'll get the regular use it deserves.

    By the way it came with this tool kit which Jeff Stephan helped Blake put together.

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    I say again:

    You are over-stating Jeff's involvement to add perceived-value to the car, a very common and characteristic move of yours. Not much better than when another member here tried to sell a Miura at his Florida dealership claiming that Bob Wallace performed the restoration. Sometimes you would do better to just acquiesce. Just because you state something doesn't make it so. Maybe Blake's widow was happy with the sale through you; I doubt that Blake would have been, and I KNOW that Jeff wasn't.
     
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    This Miura S was sold on the basis that it was a nice restored Miura S, not on the basis that Stephan, or anyone else of repute, restored it. At the point of sale, the current owner did not have any prior knowledge of who Jeff Stephan was, nor was his name used to add a penny more in value to the sales price, all the buyer cared about was that it's a nicely restored Miura S which he's been been wanting for 12 years in the right color, so the mention that Jeff restored the car here long after the car has already sold was not stated to add any value whatsoever, it was simply a statement of fact.

    I have known Jeff Stephan for 27 years since 1995 when I first visited him, I've just spoken to him a few days ago, and he's entirely fine with our deal. I might add, he's told me that the reason he wasn't happy was not with me at all but with the car's caretaker through whom he was expecting to consummate a deal with the widow. The car was subsequently offered to us and we wasted any time buying the car, nobody can blame us for stepping up to the plate quickly. Jeff now knows we had no idea of any competing interests, we simply pulled the trigger quickly. We later learned via the car's caretaker that besides Jeff Stephan, another California party also wanted to buy the car, and, 2 separate surgeons in Tulsa Oklahoma wanted to buy the car too, all this along with your own expressed interest in buying this car as confirmed by him. In this full context, your comments as stated above seem a little bit like sour grapes to me, but I'll take them as your opinion and I'm happy to differ with them.

    Bottom line, it seems like everybody wanted to buy this Miura S and understandably nobody can be blamed for wanting to do so, not least us who acted, it's a beautiful specimen no matter who restored it, and we are fortunate to have gotten the job done for our client.
     
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    I guess you've chosen to continue the conversation here, where you always have to have the last word... a favorite game of mine, also.

    This is not a matter of differing opinions, but of facts.

    One fact is that Jeff Stephan never intended to purchase the car for himself, but rather Blake had told Jeff that if anything should happen to him, he wanted Jeff to handle the sale and marketing of his beloved Miura. I guess Blake didn't make that point clear enough to his widow Carrie.

    Sour grapes, from me? WTF. Roy contacted me about my Campy rims for sale, and during the course of discussion over a few days of email, I mentioned that if this Miura was to enter the market, to please let me know because I might be interested if it were reasonably priced. By that point, however, you had already become involved. Do you know how that came to pass? That's right- I AM THE ONE who recommended that Roy call YOU (as well as Gary B) to see if you might be of assistance with finding him the rims he was after.
     
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    That Jeff restored the car is a well-documented fact, put it this way, he received a shell of a car with chassis & bodywork complete just as Automobili Lamborghini SpA would receive from Bertone SpA, and he did as much work as the Lamborghini factory would do to a Miura at point of production, essentially he put the car together, rebuilt the engine, finished the whole project and tested it for delivery, so saying that Jeff Stephan restored the car is like saying Lamborghini built the Miuras, a simplification because others were involved, yes, but a fact nonetheless and IMO no slight to Blake whatsoever.

    Thank you for telling Roy Sinor to contact me, at the end of the day, we took care of his client quickly and as they say, seller and buyer are happy, as are we.

    By the way we did source a good spare Campagnolo wheel for the car.
     
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    Here's a '69 Miura that I restored recently, all by myself. I polished it all the way back to the bare plastic, while still retaining the original Bianco finish..!

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    #BiancoBlu #BarePlasticMiura

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    Beautiful, if it ever comes for sale for a reasonable price we promise to act quickly!

    Speaking of bare bodywork, here's 4115 stripped to bare metal receiving corrective rear bodywork during the restoration process.

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    Nicely done, Martyn! Good palate-cleanser, too. :D
     
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    Lord almighty, Joe. I'm sure it has nothing to do with your integrity and you just have some facts mixed up, but here are some indubitable truths:

    Blake sent his already fully-painted AND fully trimmed-out Miura to Jeff S. and flew himself out there to meet it, and then he and Jeff together installed the powertrain that Jeff had just rebuilt. They test drove it and sorted it out a bit, and then Blake left with his nearly-finished car. Yeah, just like they did it back in the day at Automobili Lamborghini SpA. :rolleyes:

    Jeff S. considers himself a major consultant on the project, but not the restorer. He greatly respected Blake for his work on the car, and his attention to detail. Also, you didn't connect Blake and Jeff. Blake contacted Jeff years ago about some wiper motor Jeff was selling, and Blake wondered if it would be correct for his Jaguar. Jeff told him no, it was for a Miura. Blake said "hey, I have a Miura" and thus began their friendship and collaboration on 4115. Now, whose accounting of these details do you suppose I heard all of this from? Only two people knew the factual story of this Miura, and one of them is deceased. The other isn't you.

    I am glad to hear how happy the new owner of 4115 is with his car- it sounds like an excellent one. The new owner deserves to know the accurate history of his car. These cars are so significant and special; there is no need to embellish or ignore facts, and there should be no place for ego to interfere with documenting these cars.

    Now, I'm going to take #3102 for a little spin. The clutch is working so smoothly again, after I just rebuilt some components, with the help of my friend Jeff Stephan. Oh, by the way- he didn't rebuild the engine for your SV 5038; he just did some top-end work.

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    Wow, so you went to Oklahoma personally? Because I also have this same photo.
     
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    Thanks Clint, Plenty more where that came from! :D

    Enjoy the drive in your beautiful Verde Miura!

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    It truly is and he's thrilled as this has ended a 12-year search for the right car.

    Not me, my son Vince flew to Tulsa, Oklahoma and then on to Owasso in early August to inspect the car.

    No worries about the differing versions of the story, the new owner has a boxful of invoices, repair orders, ownership documentation, factory documentation etc to accurately tell the whole story of the car to date.

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    August 2004 looking like a Miura recently arrived from Bertone SpA, this is the year that Blake purchased the car mid-restoration from Howard De Haven.

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    The entire tub (chassis, roof, doors) is steel.
     
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    I know, but not the body...
     
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    Oh, Joe. I hope you find the help you need. :rolleyes:

    Several of us here have been anticipating your responses. Everybody's predictions were spot on.
     
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    Uh, wait... "MID-restoration", you say ? Was Howard working with Jeff Stephan, too?
     
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    Howard De Haven retained M&L Auto Specialists and Huber Restoration for the early work, meanwhile the documentation on file shows Blake acquired the car in 2004 around the time Jeff became involved to complete the restoration.
     
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    ...which is why your answer would have been correct, had Astonish78 actually asked "who restored and installed the engine/transaxle of this Miura?"

    I am telling you (again), Jeff Stephan himself says he doesn't claim credit for restoring 4115. You are telling everybody differently. Golly, I wonder who people should believe? You could've simply corrected and clarified your comment early on in this discussion, but instead you chose to dig your heels in and once again, expose your incredible arrogance and narcissism that we have all come to expect.
     
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    In the same post where I responded that IMO it's correct to say "Jeff Stephan restored the car as he oversaw the entire process including rebuilding the engine & transmission, and, was the one who re-assembled everything, put the engine back in the car, road-tested it and delivered it to Blake" on balance I also say "I didn't feel it was necessary to mention all the parties who assisted in the restoration, if Blake was to be mentioned, so too should M&L Auto Specialists and Huber Restoration who carried out respective bodywork & paint roles". Also, the 2004 image I posted clearly shows the stage the car was at when Jeff received it. As with a recent restoration I was very involved with, the man who put the car together in the end is credited with the restoration and I don't feel that's a disservice to me or any of the other sublets we used in any way. Sometimes people like to simplify and state the name of the person who completed the job, no harm intended.

    I feel sure Howard De Haven, M&L Auto Specialists, Huber Restoration and Blake all of whom had a direct financial interest in 4115 would not be as twisted over not being always mentioned for the restoration of 4115 as you are, even though you have zero involvement with 4115 other than your confirmed desire to buy it which never materialized. Therein lies your motivation for all your comments regarding 4115 - very sour grapes - which is why your comments have moved from opinions to personal attacks. But I say, it's not all bad because at least we agree that 4115 seems like an excellent Miura, meanwhile, the seller is happy, the buyer is happy, and we are happy.
     
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