From previous: Front hinged bonnet Image Unavailable, Please Login GPF/OPF/PPF Extra quiet exhaust per EU 'noise regulations' probably mandatory, non-defeatable ADAS such as lane keeping, speed limiting, automatic emergency braking (AEB) https://www.engadget.com/eu-intelligent-speed-assistance-vehicles-anti-speeding-europe-000007992.html https://bmdv.bund.de/SharedDocs/EN/Articles/StV/Roadtraffic/new-vehicle-safety-systems.html The lane keep is already shown on the Lamborghini test mule: Image Unavailable, Please Login and 'an interesting roof' that we will all be talking about...
I was pretty sure that the legislation for speed limiting was defeatable for the time being so it's just another button to turn off alongside start/stop. If they're smart they'll make it programmable so you can link the two and hit one button to defeat both...
by "mandatory" on speed limiting, I meant it will be mandatory part of the car, which means it will be an irritant, but, in current regulation it is possible to overcome it but with noticeable effort..as shown below, it must be switchable (i.e. turn off) some recent details: https://www.mapbox.com/blog/new-eu-intelligent-speed-assistance-requirements REDUCING VEHICLE SPEED Intelligent Speed Adaptation uses several systems to reduce vehicle speed. Here are four of the most common: *Cascaded acoustic warning - Provides a delayed acoustic warning *Cascaded vibrating warning - Provides a delayed vibrating warning *Haptic feedback (gas pedal) - Pushes the driver's foot away from the pedal *Speed control function - Gradually reduces engine power <...> Along with the must-have features for all motor vehicles after mid-2022, the new directive has the following ISA specifications: *The ISA system must turn on every time the car starts *The driver is able to switch off the ISA system *The driver must be aware of whether the ISA system is on or off *The system will not prohibit the driver from exceeding the speed limit *The driver must be audibly notified if they have exceeded the appropriate speed limit ### https://www.20splenty.org/what_is_isa The directive has the following minimum requirements: *it shall be possible for the driver to be made aware through the accelerator control, or through dedicated, appropriate and effective feedback, that the applicable speed limit is exceeded; *it shall be possible to switch off the system; information about the speed limit may still be provided, and intelligent speed assistance shall be in normal operation mode upon each activation of the vehicle master control switch; *the dedicated and appropriate feedback shall be based on speed limit information obtained through the observation of road signs and signals, based on infrastructure signals or electronic map data, or both, made available in-vehicle; *it shall not affect the possibility, for the drivers, of exceeding the system’s prompted vehicle speed; *its performance targets shall be set in order to avoid or minimise the error rate under real driving conditions.
All these systems are defeatable in all cars, in the EU market at least. PS: Never liked clamshell/front hinged bonnets. Had it in a BMW E34 back in the day and it was a hassle to gain access to certain parts.
As someone who loves his SF and has a GTS on order, I am curious why you haven’t connected. Makes me want to keep my SF until I know for sure the GTS is superior for my application. I have a pre-GPF SF and I’m a little nervous about the GPF equipped GTS.
I’m not planning to ever sell my SF. Spectacular car. I do plan to acquire the 167 if possible. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
I think the GPF setup on the 812 GTS is definitely bassier, it has a very nice echo. Ferrari made some tweaks to the GTS to compensate for having GPF. The 812 SF pre-GPF is more high-pitched, sharper, with a little less echo in my opinion. Both 10/10. It depends on each one's preference. If you can keep the SF until the GTS arrives to make your choice, do it.
I have previously posted that I refused to take formal possession of one of the very 1st GTS’ ordered here in the states after driving it for 15 minutes (roof opened) the day it arrived at the dealer. I immediately went home, drove my ‘19 SF and then called my dealer to say I will not be taking delivery of the GTS. Last of the pure Ferrari V12 engine note and the exhilarating sensation it provides, which I personally felt the GPF diluted very noticeably. Others have posted differently as these are subjective things to the eyes and ears of the beholder. This was MY experience - and will keep my SF forever!
To each his own. I loved by preGPF 812SF and found it to be the perfect car except for one thing- it had a roof. The GTS is bassier but just as loud at start up and a bit more muted at normal ie legal speeds(and thus more neighbor friendly)Turn the mannetino to Race, dip into the pedal and it’s sounds great. I love the GTS but find it a less than perfect car- not for the sound but for the more cramped feeling inside the car as the seat does not recline as much as the 812SF( I am 6’2”). But I wouldn’t trade the GTS for anything as I love top down driving too much and the GTS does everything else so so well. We splitting hairs here. I eagerly await the replacements with and without roofs. If the spider version of the F167 fixes my only complaint about the GTS it will probably be my forever car. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Sad to see the V12 with half the cylinders hidden, and inside an SUV. This is a real waste of V12 production. ~7,000 state-of-the art V12s, which could be in a sports car, will go to an SUV. I don't want to inflame those who liked PS. The car is well made overall, within its segment. The concept, the idea, that bothers me a lot. If they wanted to get on the "SUV wave", they could have used the 296's V6+hybrid. By the way, this says that Ferrari itself does not place 100% confidence in the hybrid/electric "trend", nor in the SUV concept. The brand hybridized two models with "traditional" sports bodywork, and brought a traditional aspirated V12 to the SUV. They didn't want to combine electrification and "SUVization" in the same product. They didn't put both feet in the water as it can be very cold! We could be arguing here on FChat about a normal production mid-rear V12 to co-exist in line with the F167, as in the golden days when the 365 GTB/4 Daytona and 365 GT4 BB briefly co-existed in 1973. And now that we have such an advanced F140... Today Ferrari have, in the normal range, a V12 SUV, and no rear-engined V12 sportscar. Strange days we're living in.
It is very hard to describe, and likely more about me and where I am in my “car hobby” than anything to do with the GTS itself. The GTS feels more “gentlemanly” than the more boisterous SF. To be fair though the car only has about 325 miles on it and I’ve driven her very gently for breakin. The cockpit is more cramped and so I got CF racing seats which look beautiful but are as hard as a rock…this is not a car I would want to drive for 3 hours straight. I think it sounds fine, but not as “ripping and snorting” as the SF. My SF was red/black and was like an evil temptress begging me to take her out for a thrash. My GTS is absolutely gorgeous with Sanu silver and two-tone brown interior—almost too pretty and perfect. I’ll log more miles this winter to try and recapture that magic. I have also had two insurance claims in the last 4 months for about a half million bucks and dread the thought of some schmuck crashing into my GTS and having to make a third call…
I read your story, that sounds like post-traumatic stress. As you were with the 488 in the incident, your mind associated it with the Ferrari, and the traumatic trigger is coming when you go to use the Speciale and the GTS. And you're not having that with the GT3 and the Corvette, because the mind isn't associating these with what happened. Perhaps the best way is to face the anxiety trigger directly, and drive the Speciale and GTS until the trauma passes. The good experiences will outweigh the trauma. The mind will recover. And time is a medicine. Hope you are well soon!
Amen brother! The SF is not a GT……understandably confused as one at posted speed limits on public roads…….. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Are you aware that cars get louder the more they are driven which burns the cats in? I think a short test drive in a brand new car is not going to give you the full experience. May the Horse be with you
Speaking about GPF i said it before this is the reason why i did not order a GTS when I heard the sound at the launch in Italy. The Competizione will have gpf as well anyone who’s driven it can comment on thr sound? Would be great to have some thoughts and how it compares to the tdf or even a pre gpf 812. Thank you!
All that makes perfect sense. I hate that you went through that accident. I sounded really scary and miserable. A knucklehead crossing the double yellow while texting has officially replaced an errant deer in terms of the biggest risk all of us face when driving our cars.
