SARMS - are they steroids?

Also interested in this topic, i must admit i havent researched it much
From my limited understanding it seems they are research drugs or something and not many studies
Hence id be dubious sticking that in my body

There is always a tradeoff when you do something

 

Off topic but somewhat related: The gym I use caters to power lifters and body builders. Over the past few months I have been asked at least 10 times if I am natty. At this age and like you, I don't see the benefits; so yes, I am natty. When the 25-30 year olds suddenly figure out that I am 61 and natty, it draws a LOT of attention. Even the guys who win prizes in both pause to show their clients what can be achieved. I am with you, commit and make it happen; the added risk doesn't bring anything unless you are actually a world class lifter.

 

Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators. Similar idea to SERMs ( Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators). You are trying to carefully tweak receptor function. I have a PhD in nuclear receptor pharmacology. I would not mess with these & I am not sure how many are commercially available & definitely not OTC.

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I have no idea whether they are steroids.

But personally, I would not touch them at all.

Closest thing I will touch to a supplement is creatine, and only on a purely theoretical basis.

 

Great thread and thanks to the resident experts chiming in. Not sure about others in their mid 50's, but my risk tolerance is pretty close to 1 out of 10 vs. decades ago in my youth. Probably chalk it up to hard lessons & plenty of scar tissue.

 

This is 'a bit' my field of expertise.
I'm sure Hocakes could write a very long write up about this class of 'supplements' even without basic knowledge, so could I.
But I will limit myself to the very basic here.

These are steroids. Point.

They are are on the market because of legal loopholes. NOT because they are safe.
They are not.
In Biology there always has to be some kind of balance, call it Ying Yang. If something works really well, it has to have similar effects on the other (unhealthy) spectrum too.
yes there are some SARMS that have less side effects and are considered relatively 'safe'. They also have less muscle building effects and thus are less popular.
Anything that let's you put on 10-15lbs of muscle tissue in a short amount of time has an effect on your other bodily functions as well.

To make matters worse, these are research chemicals with some having hardly any human studies done. You really want to be a ginea pig for a Chinese bathtub manufacturer!? As that's the case here. These are not made by ISO certified USDA approved manufacturers.
Does one really want to increase risk of cancer for a few pounds of muscle (that's easier obtianed though other pathways!?)

If you are a competitive body builder looking for anotehr edge then SARMS are another pathway when you are already usingh the regular steroids available. Otherwise I'd rather have friends using regular testosterone than a SARM. At least we know what that does at certain dosages.

Again, we could have a very scientific discussion here about SARM's and whatnot. But bottom line is for recreational use they are steroids case closed and I would opt for alternatives if muscle building is the goal.

 

Creastine is safe and actually healthy to be taken. It has a plethora of benefits, even for non athletes.

 

And what these kids forget is that you can be big and musclecular when you are 'young' but 90% of that muscle you've gambled with your health on fades away after yours 40'5, 50's, 60's. What remains is the health you've build up over the previous decades.

Absolutely no one is a bad ass when the cardiologist says you have a heart condition and you have seriously shortened your life span. No one.

 

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Well, technically neither are cigarettes ...

 

Good luck with those quotes....
I actually do know 'a bit' about the laws gobally and locally around these compounds.
they
are
not
legal
virtually
anywhere

Just like the FDA has banned these for personal use.
There is a reason why they are banned for personal use.....!

And if you think these are not steroids I suggest getting a very brief chemistry lesson 1 on 1.
yes, technically they aren´t yet they also bind to the adrogen receptors making them virtual identical.
OR, do a quick 'google' search.
OR, call the FDA
Case closed.

 

Sorry for the rant, but I have seen waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many kids having permanent health issues due to SARM´s.
Gynocomastica, being infertile, permanent hormonal damages, etc, etc.
And that´s all due to the fact that these are being sold through a loophole without proper education or resellers stating these "are not seroids".
When you are a grown up and you want to gain muscle mass for spoerts or aesthetics, make your own choices.
Heck shoot a few gram of testosterone and see where you can take your body.
But that's a whole notehr ball ghame compared to SARM's and them being so innocently being sold.

Again, these are untested research drugs. I would feel more confident using regular testosterone, sustanon, anavar even dianabol vs SARM's.