599 gated stick manual Official picture thread

So, enlighten me

 

Just as a few points of fact:
- Ferrari have run out of genuine manual (lower) centre consoles, however I know of two instances in the last 2 years where they remade these parts to order. They're only hand laid up fibreglass after all. One of these was for Exoticars, so I assume this is whats in Joe's car.
- I know of one person, a friend of mine, who did manage to buy a genuine manual clutch pedal this year. To be honest I was amazed as well, but seemingly one was squirrelled away somewhere which they managed to find. I've been making CNC pedals for a while, as have others, and some others have machined OEM brake pedals to accept clutch master cylinders.

Anyway, its not quite as black and white around parts that are and are not available as stated before.

I would think of it this way- there are parts that have all functional properties, parts that have all asthetic properties, and parts that have a bit of both. For the purposes of the aesthetic, that's up to the buyer to decide if the parts used are correct / close enough. For the functional parts, there is value in knowing that OEM has been used, as there is more assurance that the quality will be of a good standard and the experience will be comparable to a factory manual car. The areas where there are complex mechanical interactions (i.e. where mechanical fit and tolerance is critical), then you're really only looking at the turret and control plate assemblies. If these parts are OEM, then for me this is a basic standard for what is meant by "OEM parts conversion". Clearly up for debate though.

Lastly, don't rule out that some non-OEM parts will be superior to OEM - Joe's example of the corrected ECU flash (where Ferrari made a mistake) is a perfect example.

 

So what’s the current lead time to do a conversion from the two companies that do this?

 

For those that have driven a 599 in Manual either OEM or Converted.

How did you find the clutch?

 

And??

 

I don't think more than a week's work....It's just disassembly and reassembly of parts.

 

I have heard around 5 months for the EcoticarsUSA conversion. I don't have any idea for EAG conversion, I'll have to ask around.

 

If it lasts 5 months , they remove only 1 screw a day in my opinion ...

 

Haha that's what I thought as well, I don't know how accurate is that estimate but that's the estimate they gave to a customer recently. I'll ask around and update the thread with my findings.

 

Can you explain more fully the problem with the factory master cylinder and exactly why a change would be of benefit? Thanks.

 

Here is a Beautiful Blue 599 Converted Example for Sale on BAT - https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2007-ferrari-599-gtb-fiorano-40/

 

You can use a 612 master on a 599, but the oem parts are totally different. 612 uses a metal master cylinder, whereas the oem 599 master cylinder has a plastic body and has a quick release on the clutch pipe instead of the threaded union on the 612 version.


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I looked at the comments, it's very interesting and quite funny...

 

The armchair experts are at it!

I recently inspected a car that sold twice on BAT and it was amazing how everyone was praising this particular Ferrari and how it had a clean CarFax.

When I saw the car and popped the hood it became very clear that the car had massive front end damage and a repair. Even the assembly tag was missing!

And don’t even get me started on how it drove!


May the Horse be with you

 

Reading all these comments, I tell myself that many are not objective and that they are only there to, as you say, "praise the particular car" offered for sale by putting forward arguments completely wacky. But I could also be wrong...

 

I was just informed about the timeline quotes for conversions:
ExoticarsUSA: 4-5 months
EAG: 6 months

 

same car as in December, not sold on Collecting Cars by fellow F-Chatter

 

On that driving video it looks like the rev drop in between shifts is even faster than my gated f430. Driver was definitely not attempting to rev match the upshifts. Flywheel is so light, it won’t upset the car, but can’t be good for clutch life. Also, can explain why some had problems with stalling with uphill starts on an old thread.

It seems like @360trev ecu reflash fixes this. I wonder if the conversions using cable shift will be a lighter shift, so easier for a quicker shift.

 

Interesting points and lets not forget that it was originally designed for a pretty fast shifting paddle, therefore not really allowing the revs to drop.

 

I have bought so many cars sight unseen and nearly all of them have been very misrepresented.

I now have a rule that I have to inspect a car or have a qualified professional inspect it prior to buying it.

 

The clutch was very smooth. I don't know about EAG or Exoticars conversions....

 

I'm sure that sales are manipulated on BaT too. I noticed that there are only comments that appraise the car offered. All comments that disturb a little disappear systematically and by magic. Weird..... I think it's not very honest for potential buyers.

 

Seems, that this is a normal phenomenon all over the world.
Can't count the cars my father and i watched the last 40 years, that were not in the described condition.

Daniel