The world changes fast my Freinds. Look at real estate. Boat dealers are full of inventory now. Tesla is discounting etc. Vette production is too high for these cars to stay rare. Right now every retiree and their wife wants a c8 Vette.
My 3LZ HTC should be built on Thursday. I'm getting it thru MacMulkin at MSRP about $135K, but I have been on their list since 2020 when I ordered my C8. The Eray will be officially revealed tomorrow. It will be interesting to see the performance on that car.
2022 Acura NSX | eBay i like this car but no way is it more valuable than z06. we are just at beginning of hybrid sports cars so they will only get better with time. however, this is the end of ice and z06 is the last new engine that will ever exist. its the last and best of breed.
The first cycle Ciocca got the most allocations. The current cycle it seems like MacMulkin got the most. It sounds like another cycle is coming later this month and Criswell hopefully will get a bunch of allocations. My order was entered at the beginning of December, so it moved pretty quick from Accepted order to a TPW. Good luck!
There’s what a 10,000 car order list. How long will it take to build that many z06s. 2 years once they’re in full swing?
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a42487697/2024-chevrolet-corvette-e-ray-revealed/ faster acceleration than the z06, you know response esp at road speeds is going to be instantaneous in a way that the z06 just cant be. Most drivers in the USA are not attuned to a car that needs revs to respond, nor does a high rev motor suit the stoplight grands prix or highway driving. For road the extra weight is irrelevant and adds comfort. The E-rey has the looks and is going to fit the bill for what most people want in an upscale corvette, plus its less expensive than a z06. As some have said the only drawback is the lack of z06 sound. Given its architecture its probably less production limited than a z06. Then we'll also have the Zr1 which will be the gotta have it fastest vette. Add to that the more hard nature of the z06 which some older road car buyers will find trying after a while and I think that wait for a z06 will not be forever.
surprised they didnt go plug in so it doesnt really compare to nsx, 296, or artura. only 5 mi electric range wont help for cities with restrictions. bet next version will be plug in. still a very cool car that beat hybrid 911 to market.
I disagree about the last of the Ice. USA will be ICE untill at elast 2035. In addition the aircraft world is investing heavily in carbon neutral e fuels, so i predict there will be a market for and supply of ice cars past that date with acceptable allowances made by government for limited production of ICE based on manufacturer. . Just as porche has discovered they can sell 10k sticks per year and any number of Gt3 GT4, there is a specialized sportscar market. Porche for one is investing heavily in e-fuels, additionally the German auto manufacturers and the german government will ensure there is not a total Ice ban, they'll be joined by the italians on this. Possibly in claifornia and New york there will be Ice bans. As for the NSX, that car was a damp squib. Hard to tell which was the front of back, quite an achievement to design a car that looks like it was not designed at all. It also has no area where its performance stands out and is too heavy. Its not a sportscar, impressive as the paper stats are. What we migth see in the future are far lighter ice sportscars. Thats because the Gt car will become electric, or hybrid, and the true sportscar market will favor lightness, which will be possible as materials and structures for electric cars by necessity must be lighter and this tech when applied to ice will make them lighter. As we see poche once again leads the way, their NA motors are more or less 500hp not more. Performance will come from lossing more weight and improved aero, add to that e-fuels and you have a global market for 50-100k units amongst the specialized manufacturers who go here. I can even see a cap of 10k units per manufactuerer, or maybe no ca[p as e fuels are carbon neutral.
is electric range not euro city thing? are there any usa cities with that mandate. it is a cool car though, and for daily driving ill be that acceleration is a sledgehammer like a tesla.
I would love to see some dedicated cars get lighter but that's not going to happen. Even "specialized cars" like the Porsche GT series are porkers compared to sports cars of the last century. There are many reasons for this...very strict safety requirements, people still wanting a ton of creature comforts (that add weight) in their sports car, and the costs involved in making a very light weight vehicle are the main obstacles. The days of sub 3,000 pound sports cars have come and gone. There will be EXTREMELY niche markets that will find ways around this, but these cars will produced in such small numbers (and be ungodly expensive) they will not have an effect on the sports car industry. Gordon Murray's T50 and T33 are prime examples of this and both are well into the 7 figure price range.
How did you come up with 10K waitlist? Not doubting the reasonableness of that number just wondering if it is accurate….it gives me hope.
I'm now guessing zr1 zora will be z06 motor paired with plug in hybrid with another 150 e hp over eray. Cannot see them developing another tt motor.
the 3 biggie dealers seem to have 1k waitlists each, so thats 3K, and I figured another 7k, total thumb suck. Maybe its 20k, that would be the total number of 911s porche sells globaly in a year. Corvette plant produces in a proper year 30k cars. I figure they could do 10k z06s per year. even if tis 5k, that means the backlog is gone in 2-3 years..
My understanding is the zr1 will be the TT motor and the Zora the TT motor plus the electrics for 1000+ hp.
Yes I've also read that but seems too much effort and $ to make more hipo ice engines at this point. Gm accountants will kill that idea. z06 was moonshot all by itself.
The development costs to add turbos to the Z06 engine pale in comparison to developing the LT6 in the first place. Adding turbos and raising the price even higher is basically a no brainer. Same with reusing the electric motor and batteries from the Eray for the Zora.
I think it goes without question that nearly everyone would prefer the LT6 with hybrid for the Zora. But all the commentators are saying it's the turbo motor.
Precisely- And walk down to the Ferrari, McLaren, Aston, Lambo, Porsche, Lotus etc. dealer and spec what you wanted.
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In a way that makes sense, but also does not. The whole point of the NA motor practicaly speaking is less weight from high revs power. I get that there is a whole marketing thing from the aural component. Adding the electrics gets one to maybe 900 hp. TT is not that hard to do(easier than high revs) and there is more Hp, plus Hp that probably better integrates with the low end and mid range Tq of the electrics. Ferrari did an electric flywheel on the la ferrari to give the low Tq v12 low don tq. Im not sure the power characteristics of a high rev motor mesh with direct electric drive. Even if it does, whats the goal, merely to get the z06 sound, but in a heavier notionally faster now pure road car. Seems like more to be gained by going TT, and the sound can me made to happen. Plus this way theyre doing the ferrari formula like the 296 except more bigly. There is also the possibility that to make the z06 motors live at those revs its really expensive to build and a TT setup that maybe only revs to 7k is no more expensive to build and requires less specialized bits. its also possible that the TT can be sold in say Europe, and the z06 may just be to difficult to do there in terms of emissions. E rey and Zora may fit the bill even better too. im still going with the theory that making a 8800 rpm motor work with direct drive electrics is much harder to do than having the electrics work with a 7k rpm Tt motor. Plus the electrics negate any lag issues with a TT. From what we understand, and of course subject to change. ZR 1 TT V8 from z06 850 hp. Zora as above but with the electrics for 1000+ Hp. The Zr1 Hp more or elss follows the amount of Hp Honda and others seem to get per liter in turbo, roughly 150 hp per liter. Ferrari F8 is 182 hp per liter. That same formula would bring the Zr1 to 983 hp. I think the 296 has even more per liter. Mercedes AMG is well over 200hp per liter. We can then assume that the Zr1 will be a somewhat mild state of tune for a TT v8 in 2024. Possibly its an easy remap to 1000 hp. The issue is probably in being able to put that amount of power down and transmission life, hence the electrics in the zora. Now Im thinking a remapped Zora at 1200Hp. The mind boggles. With the E rey, Zr1 and Zora overshadowing the z06 in acceleration and Hp (and whatever other paper specs impress/make sales) perhaps, and here is hoping, the Z06 will be free to follow its own specialized and further hone its track prowess, namely loose weight and some practicality in focus. Sorta makes sense, I can see the other 3 super vettes really being the ones road car buyers most desire, and the z06 being a little neither fish nor fowl being free to do persue its thing. You just know that there are some Chev vette engineers now wondering how far they can take the z06. Maybe they'll find that extra rpm, to go to 9k, 700 hp, shorter ratios in the higher gears and say 4-400lbs lost. You know thinner glass, more cf bodywork, cf shell seats, loose the trunk and go for an s duct in front, things like that..
Another thought. Adding electrics to the z06, based on the upcharge over a stingray for an e-rey probably adds 20k or more to the cost to build/price. A TT Zr1 probably cost not much more to build if any than an z06, yet Gm can charge 20-30k more. It also tells us a Zr1 will be a 175K car to a z06 150k, and a zora well over 200K. E rey base is only 1k lass than the z06, but Erey does not do a z07 package, so functionally many erey will be 10-15k less and a more apropriate faster car more of the time on road than a z06. Thats logic, markets for sportscars also driven by emotion. I'm speculating that once the dust settles, many buyers who couldnt/didnt get on a z06 list will be in the erey and love it, not to mention car mags pimping the ereay and marveling at tis 1 lap laptime. By the time the z06 backlog starts clearing we'll have the zr1 and that will be the "faster/fastest more expensive" gotta have it vette. Wihtin 2 years the z06 sales will drop off and it will be the real niche vette. Its strong now because its the latest greatest. Smart of the vette team to release the z06 first and pick up a lot of sales which then justifies this niche car, the car they most want to build. But as with a lotus elise when it first came to USa and sold 2500 units, sales drop of fast once inital surge is met and many realize its a big comitment to live with. Kinda like people who suddenly buy a boat and realize a year later that its more a serious commitment for the passionate than a easy weekend. Most vette buyers are from what I see weekend cruisers on the road, and or semi daily. The other faster vettes coming along are going to be more appropriate for this than the z06 and faster on paper too. im probably wishful thinking, so my z06 comes sooner rather than later, and we see improved z06s. But cars are emotion, so the market will decide in ways no one can fully predict, good then Gm casting a wide net. Interesting to see what it catches where.
