I’d like to see a list of judges.
It will be in the event edition of Cavallino like every other year. Without knowing the players it will not mean much.
not any new info. I've tried to get a list of cars, no luck so far. https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/news/2023-palm-beach-cavallino-classic-concorso-deleganza-combines-ferrari-and-le-mans.3102/
I would be shocked if you get a list of cars. In the past it was always kept a secret and only a very select few knew what was coming. Make sure you get out there early and watch them come down the drive and park on the lawn. That's the best time to get pictures. Once it gets later the crowds start showing and the sun crests the Breakers creating harsh lighting. Beware the lunch rush when all the women wearing hats show up with their foo foo dogs. Watch out for gold diggers
Interesting discussion. The next generation of Ferrari customers are on social media (Youtube/Instagram/Tiktok/Snapchat) not on Fchat. So maybe they are headed in the right direction but their choice of influencers may be sub optimal.
For judged cars, do we need to have with us the factory car cover, seat covers and steering wheel cover with us at the show?
i;m a new owner. I am a 1967 National Corvette Restorer's Society National level judge. I know what we judge. This is my first judging event with my first F car and just want to know if i need to bring the cover, etc with me for judging. I, with the help of my 6 year old son, has dialed in my car, to the best of my knowledge. Am just asking if i need the covers. I appreciate any insight. I am a junior here on this sight, just want to do all i can do to be prepared. That's all. I get calls and texts from owners asking me what to do, what to bring, what you judges look at in regards to Corvettes and i happily let them know. Am just asking...I appreciate it....Thanks to all....
Dale, showing your ignorance sad to say. IAC/PFA judging as done at Cavallino and FCA is far less like that than virtually any other organization. We spend 15 minutes with 3 people inspecting a car. The Corvettes takes an entire day with a whole crew of people. People from other organizations are very shocked about the long list of items we pay no attention to. Aside from the car we require an owners manual (may be a copy) , a tool/jack kit and thats it. The list of things on the car itself we give a pass on it too long for me to bother to write. As an example though delaminating glass and paint chips are not deductions. Like in this case, people ask because of experiences elsewhere, not their experiences with us. There is another thread right now about restoring the POS factory flashlights for concours purposes. I told them any reasonable facsimile will do (its a very common American piece). No one knew that because no one asked.
I’ll freely admit concours is not my thing. It appears to have become more of a detailing/restoration contest than the beauty of the underlying cars. I realize judges need something to differentiate the show queens because they are all so good. I also realize someone who had paid big bucks to a restoration shop expects to win at least a platinum. Like every thing, we have become hyper competitive. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat.com mobile app
Brian No deduction for delaminating glass? I had .5 pt deducted for such thing on my 85 QV at 2019 Scottdale FCA National.
In whose world? I have judged cars at national events that were not even washed. We do not judge bugs or dirt. You really have no idea what we do.
You should have protested it. I was one of the board members who made that acceptable. Give me your judges names and Ill be sure that does not happen again. That may have been a more recent ruling than summer 19 but get me the names anyway. Professional MLB Umpires make mistakes and get paid very well for doing so. If the batter does not speak up nothing changes. Our judges do not even get their expenses covered.
Ok. I will dig up my score sheet. Still got Platinum and CBM so I won't protest it. But it's good reference for Oregon. Thanks Brian.
Great. I recall Tom S had cat paw prints on one of his cars. But I don’t recall seeing dirty cars at Cavallino. [emoji41] Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat.com mobile app
Thats the owners pride speaking, not the judging requirements. Tom has shown his 375mm after driving it from San Clemente put it on the lawn and won awards without even wiping it off. And he parks it overnight in the lot of the Super 8 Motel.
Brian, I know you have far more experience in judging than I, but the way I’ve been told during several FCA judging seminars or pre-event meetings, very minor chips or de-lamination is acceptable, but when any of it appears clearly obtrusive, deduction should be expected. Of course, any of this would be at the discretion of the given judge,
I have been entering Ferrari concours for over 30 years. One thing I have learned is how subjective the judging is. There are a handful of judges that I totally respect and look forward to them judging my car. I have learned from them, items on my cars I did not realize were an issue. Not to name names but one of the people commenting on this thread is an example of a knowledgeable judge. They have worked in the field or spent years studying the various cars. Sad to say but lately what I have seen is similar to when I helped my brother judge a science fair. I was not qualified. My brother said to follow his lead. They just needed another judge. I have also learned not to take it too seriously. I have seen owners get so upset if they don't get a platino it ruins their whole weekend, be it a FCA Nationals or Cavallino. It should be fun and a learning experience. If things don't turn out in your favor there is always booze!
I have a good example judge vs. owner and their different perspectives. My one and only judging at a 2000's Regional (we weren't trained, but tried to do the points scoring the best we could). The owners had poured a ton of money into this 355 and expected a great result. We judged them inside and with the fluorescent lights I could tell all the front rock chips they had just used a touch up dabber. It looked awful, the paint dab stuck out like a pimple and the color didn't match. I don't know the guidelines for this situation, but IMHO the poor touch up was 10x worse than if they had just left the rock chips. That was my perspective as a judge, the owners perspective is they spent a ton of money and time expecting a great result. I'll never judge again!
