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  1. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Do you think the bosses of Mercedes, VW, Ford or Renault are "car guys" ?
    They are not, they are mostly industrialists, financiers or captains of industry.
     
  2. jpalmito

    jpalmito F1 Veteran

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    Indeed..
    Big difference between Ferrari and others.
    As it should be.
     
  3. USMCS6

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    Someone has to have a bit of soul left in them. I'm not sure who puts together and signs off things like that launch, but that had passion. They took some risks they didn't need to. No industrialist, financier or captain of industry would. To much downside. A car guy would do what Ferrari did.
     
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  4. Octonion

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    The current Ford boss Jim Farley is a car guy and he is bringing them back to F1. Its going to be Ford Vs Ferrari all over again soon.
     
  5. Octonion

    Octonion Formula Junior

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    Maybe I don't see what the real risk is when an extremely well funded engineering team with decades of experience allows a paced run of their new car around Fiorano?? Not trying to argue but just curious.
     
  6. Temerian

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    I think it is telling that no other launch was done on the track with the actual 2023 car. I applaud Ferrari for doing so because it could have gone very wrong and also it gives the other teams a look at this year's equipment. I feel that Ferrari are really confident in the vehicle and are also giving the tifosi something to hold on to for the next few weeks. I'll take what I can get after the way last year played out.
     
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  7. USMCS6

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    It may not be, but they are the only ones with the stones to do it.
     
  8. jcurry

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    agree. The worst that could happen is the car konks out, which would then start a 1000pg thread on FChat which would devolve into Hamilton bashing on pg 2;)
     
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  9. thx enzo

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    Bringing out the “real” car, followed by “real” laps was a great show if all went well. However, you cannot underestimate the downside risk if anything went wrong.


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  10. Octonion

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    Agreed. They seem to have hit the ground running this year. Binotto’s crucial error according to some sources is that he treated both drivers as equals. Vasseur made it very clear in the opening speech that no driver is bigger than Ferrari and I hope that he will make sure that remains true.
     
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  11. DeSoto

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    Well, it hasn't been made before, that should indicate something. Apparently, Mercedes had some issues in their installation laps, so running the car for the first time without problems can't be taken for granted.

    To be honest, if I were Vasseur, I'd have serious doubts about doing it, it's an unnecessary risk. And now that the novelty is worn off probably wouldn't repeat it again next season.
     
  12. Octonion

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    Or maybe that is exactly the point Vasseur is trying to convey. That they will make bold choices even if it is risky. I see it as a statement move.
     
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  13. Etcetera

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    If they haven't made big changes to the people on the pitwall, they might as well stay home this year.
     
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  14. DF1

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    Craig Scarborough, a respected Formula 1 technical analyst, is convinced Ferrari’s controversial front wing will not make it to the first race of the 2023 Formula 1 season and was included on images of the launch-spec SF-23 purely to divert attention away from other areas of the car.
     
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  15. ingegnere

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    As many people have already noted on YouTube or even the comments section of that useless article—so useless he writes that the rear suspension is pushrod —the rules regarding the wing element separators no longer have to be “primarily for structural in function” so expect most teams to have them the 5 outwash vanes on the front wing.

    Amazing how this idiot Anderson doesn’t even address the fact that the Ferrari, unlike almost every other car, has a tiny air box over the driver’s head and the least bulky engine cover—by a huge margin—to ensure good airflow to the rear wing.

    He doesn’t mention how half the teams copied the sidepod inlets and ridged sidepods Ferrari used last year and how the undercut doing the sidepods is the most of any team, including Merc with their “zero pod”.
     
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  16. Bas

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    Over the years people have treated Scarborough as some sort of F1 tech God, like he knows the in and outs from working years in F1. I'm not calling him stupid by any means, but people forget he's never worked a day for an F1 team and his technical knowledge is completely self taught.

    As for Anderson, he is good but struggles to hide his favouritism (or dislike...) of certain teams/drivers.
     
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  17. DeSoto

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    Craig Scarborough was a car salesman. Bernie was too. And that´s where all similarities end.

    Having said that, Anderson fails as much as him despite supposedly having some knowledge. I guess understanding how a car works looking at pictures is impossible, no matter what Stroll said.
     
  18. Bas

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    bingo. If it was that easy, none of the big brained in F1 would be paid quite as much, and they'd all change their car to the best working concept a week later...There's some terrifyingly smart people in F1 and from purely looking at pictures we really can not say which ones are going to be good or bad. It's easier to look at their employees, factory capabilities and recent records (past 3-5 years) to make a reasonable judgement of where they'll likely be. For that reason, Aston Martin is the actual dark horse this season, but history also tells us that concepts too extreme rarely work (see last years Merc, 2011 Mclaren, some of Newey's cars for example).
     
  19. Mitch Alsup

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    I did not think Ford has $5B to waste on racing right now.........
     
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  21. jpalmito

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    Gary Anderson is absolutely stupid.
    Period.
     
  22. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Corriere reports that Vasseur already made some changes at Ferrari.

    Inaki Rueda will now be working in Maranello (remote garage), Ravin Jain will be present at the track, including more freedom in terms of decisions and more responsibilities.
     
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  23. Nembo1777

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    Yes! Bravo Vasseur, this should have been done last year.
     
  24. jgonzalesm6

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    Longer than that.....:)
     
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