Yikes.. The first render with the yellow car from @isot got me excited. It would fix everything I dislike about the SF90's rear end. But the new render which seems to be close to the real deal if we look at the latest mules ruins it for me again. Corvette-Mansory-ish front and a wing. Mansoni's designs are decaying.
That's why I wrote in perfect working order and driving regularly...and in this case, I've never met anyone disappointed...
It was in perfect working order. You can't escape the fact that it has huge turbo lag, mediocre brakes, turn in understeer and violent oversteer, when the turbos kick in on corner exit. It's a mess, by modern standards. I guess that's what you prefer, thus you are constantly denigrating modern Ferraris, but that's far from my cup of tea, mate! A modern Ferrari must be like a surgeon's scalpel; not a savage's axe! I hate fighting against a car. The car should work with you, not against you! Do you remember how Prost and Button drove their F1 cars, with their fingertips? That's a proper sportscar! You should drive it like a surgeon, not like a bull fighter...
I don't think I'm the only one who appreciates the F 40... An F 40 with a good alignment is, in my opinion, not a trapper. It has a very precise user manual, which others who have one here will explain better than me. I find it very well placed on the ground and very progressive if the gases are well held. The F 40 was delivered with very little toe on the rear to make it more incisive in hard turns. By modifying this, the car is very healthy and very balanced. Like all cars with engine torque, it is very easy to oversteer if there is a little angle at the steering wheel...but this is also the case with all modern cars, and an F 12 TDF is much more tricky than a F 40, even if I love TDF !
If you stick to the average highway/motorway top speed of around 100kph/62mph or are in to garage queens that would be correct. But you you are going for road trips on open roads where you will most likely have a 50% increase when over takin, live in place that have roads like the autobarn or wanna track the car in the weekend wings are more important. As for design some car design suit a wing some don't, Wings affect the look and design just as much as active aero can affect the look and design. Gone are the days where we didn't have any real form of aero on a car.
Ferrari's were always form over function (F40 and perhaps F50, notwithstanding). This wing on the VS is function over form. Not sure how I really feel about it.
I track and race race cars. If anything, unless it's active, more aero slows down the car in straight lines. Does not help you overtake. How often do you drive at 200mph on open road? A wing has nothing to do on a road car that's used on the road, even when driven hard. There is plenty of aero and grip coming from diffuser, and spoilers (porsche 911 style). A wing only make meaningful difference on a track.
You are making a mountain out of a mole hill. I don't race cars nor would I ever try to do 200mph on the open road that is stupid. Correct a wing does reduce straight line speed (active aero will do the same just is more controllable / optimized). The aero device creates more downforce which if setup correctly helps keep the car pushed on to the road at speed. But there is a difference between all out speed and best over all performance (aka controllable performance). My point of view and I am sure many others is. I would prefer my 200mph car be setup for best performance (controllable, useable performance) and only be able to do say 150mph and with some models of car that is best do with a wing. I love the F40 / F50 both visually and from a performance view point. I would never remove there wing just like I would never put a wing on a Pista or 812. As I have said overall you are correct that most road car would get very little to reduced benefit from a wing. But that not true 100% of the time even on the road. That's all I am saying. If Ferrari go with a Wing on this, They will be factoring from both a visually and performance point of view. As she started from an FXX SF90 project and will became an extreme road car. Maybe the idea Ferrari has is that you will be able to drive her on the road eg to track days where she truly meets her focused as a road legal track car and if that's is the case that is where the wing will really be used. Anyway enough said on the wing and the road subject. All the best Simon
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Nice work. My thinking on the bonnet after looking at the mutes is that the bonnet ducts in the center will be more FXX K style and that there will be no side bonnet ducts
Thank you Imagine a 488 GTB and imagine the two side ducts even more excavated I expected more sophisticated solutions and honestly something more beautiful to see. But...
It's very watered down and it's mainly the marketing that will sell it ... it's not to the SF 90 AF what the 355 challenge is to the 355, to illustrate my point
That's just not true - the Carrera GT wing deploys on the highway, Hold your iPhone out the window turn it sideways - let me know how that small amount feels. There is not plenty of grip - a challenge 360 passes a challenge no wing 430 without a wing in the corners Meaningful - street car focus track cars that break records have wings. Ferrari is playing catch up to the rest of the pack.
But VS models have always been minor evolutions of the base car. So that's no surprise. I guess the only way to make a version more track focused than the Asseto Fiorano is to add a ton of downforce (i.e., big ass wing) and minorly stiffer (12-15%) track mode. Hopefully, it'll lose some weight too. But not expecting more than 80 lbs.
