308 Conversion

That’s because Ferrari owned 50% of Maserati! They don’t anymore - and guess what? No Ferrari engines anymore.

 

When Hutch did what was possibly the first 308 EV conversion (not sure as there was another done in the UK around the same era) he used a complete basket case donor that had suffered an engine fire. I image the OP has read that entire thread (it's very long, spanning a number of years) and isn't attempting to reinvent the wheel all over again as there were quite a few hard learned and expensive challenges in that project. Back then it was a novelty and I think it still is as there isn't much practicality for a vehicle with such limited range. As for "performance" it's unclear whether there is any real gain other than the zero to sixty nonsense. I'm betting the car will be heavier but not knowing all of the details I could be mistaken. In the end I believe a lot of what constitutes the soul of a 308 will be gone and the thrill of the whooshy acceleration will soon wear off. Especially with a car that you can't really take more than 30 or 40 miles from the house.

 

Sorry I do not know your background nor does it matter.

So to you the 308 that many of us treasure a lot is just another mass production car that does not warrant the effort of preserving unless it's a museum piece. At least we understand your rationale now and confirmed our differences. Not that we could conveince each other and that's not even an attempt, but you should understand that this forum is fully of 308/328 enthusiast who really really treat our cars with passion with emotions attached. It's not just a car that looks good on the appearance.

 

A romantic hot load of crap!!!!!! When I buy something...........it belongs to me until I decide to sell it.

 

Typical... nice example of yourself BTW

 

Well, I don't know. If somebody offered to "drop in" a Tesla plaid power train/battery into my 328 I'd seriously consider it!
It would be great to be able to outrun our '21 Hyundai Santa Fe!

OK..actually it will outrun the Santa Fe... but only if starting the race from "going to jail" speed and above.

 

With a system like that, would it be possible, on really any 2 wheel drive car, to install the motors on a non-drive axle and use it in conjunction with the factory engine? It just seems so much more compact than Tesla and other electric drive setups. So in the case of a 308 for example, install these on the front and retain the factory setup in the back? I know that would bite in to weight but you could offset with smaller battery packs since the gas engine could be used for cruising.

 

The question would be "why?" If it's just to get to sixty mph faster it seems like an awful lot of labor and expense for something as silly as that. If it were to squeeze a few more mpg out of a delivery van I suppose that might make some sense if it paid itself off in a reasonable amount of time.

 

Let’s just do it right if it’s horsepower. God save the Guzzoline
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This is like the Honda swap all over again….
It never ceases to amaze me when people roll into the 308 forum - to announce they’re bastardizing a 308 - and act surprised when most forum members react the way you’d expect most forum members to react.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m part of the “It’s your car do what you want with it” and the “There are more than enough stock 308s to keep the Collectors happy for a good, long time” clubs, but I found some of the OP’s statements really interesting, like: “This project's focus is on performance.” “The 308…just never had the power it needed.” “In the end, I will have 536 HP at the rear wheels with 1000 ft/lb of torque.”….but then goes on to say, “I'm not doing this to my F355, and I would never do it to my 355.”

What’s that again? A 308 needs 536hp but the 355 is perfectly fine with just 375hp? Or is it that the 355’s leather is just that much more plush, or the stereo nicer, or that the OP just prefers sticky buttons?

Whatever the reason, I do agree that it’s no longer a “Ferrari 308“. A “Ferrari 308” features a Ferrari-sourced 3 liter V-8 and 5-sp manual transmission. This is a project using the body of a Ferrari 308. Yeah, maybe it’s semantics, but words (and drivetrains) matter. LoL
Since it has 0 liters and 0 cylinders, I propose calling it the Ferrari 00 (pronounced Oh-Oh as in “Oh-oh, Enzo’s ghost is going to haunt you the rest of your days).

Finally, to @kcabpilot regarding electrifying the front axle only to provide AWD: Ironically, this is exactly what Chevrolet have done with the upcoming eRay Corvette. It makes sense for wet, northern climes, although I’m not sure just how “AWD Capable” the eRay will be with its whopping 1.9 kw/h battery pack.
Cheers,
Dave

 

Great reply and I totally agree with your comments.

 

Oh, you don’t need to piss on folk’s Cherios to get that kind of response around here ... it’s just the way bigots and narrow minded individuals who are precious about cars that were, by Ferrari standards, mass produced, behave towards those who think outside the box (though you’d be forgiven for thinking by the responses you’ve had thus far, that you’d yanked the V12 out of 250 GTO SWB and shoehorned an LS3/Honda K24 under the hood ...)

I started this thread:

“https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/nice-ride-so-this-may-cause-considerable-offence-stanceworks-308-gtbi-honda-k24-swap.634552/

It’s brought a veritable feast of narrow-minded bigots crawling from under their rocks.
The more outspoken have tried to discredit, belittle and generally make Mike B feel like a heretic and a pariah, but in the process all they’ve done is shown how petty, and pathetic they really are.

Meanwhile Mike has learnt a host of new skills and expanded his horizons, and will end up with a car that LdeMZO and dare I say Enzo (being a racer) would have approved of.

So don’t rise to bait, keep on ploughing your own furrow, and keep on posting on your progress and ignoring the dogmatists.

I think there are already two EV converted 308’s in the UK, but we Brits tend to be fairly open-minded about such matters, especially as the cars aren’t exactly rare.
Live and let live and all that ...

 

Speak for yourself, and I'd dial down the offensive tone as well, but do NOT speak for your "Fellow Brits". We are most definitely not of the same mind at all!!

 

This ^
Talk about non-sensical drivel, no Ferrari owner is “obligated” to do anything.
Drive it, polish it, modify it, leave it rotting on the drive, race it, rally it, show it at concourse de elegance, or use it as a daily beater. All are worthy ownership options, but none of them are obligations.They’re merely choices.

 

Let's avoid the bigot and aggressive talk about other members please sir.

 

Hi. My apologies if I’ve offended your sensibilities. I’ve no wish to enter into an argument or indeed a protracted delate, but I have to ask, what is wrong with the word bigot ?

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I’ve merely made a counterpoint to the many unpleasant and overly hostile and what I considered to be overly aggressive posts from other contributors towards the OP.

A public forum such as this, is all about expressing opinions and the ability for others to respond to them, in much the same way the other thread I started in this very section has done (and now has in excess of 81,000 views) Ironically the majority of the posts penned within it by the same vociferous individuals now contributing to this thread ...

So what’s it to be sir ? Gag the contrarians and leave the forum to the sentimental purists who want to discuss which plain washer was used on the distributor clamp bolt on a carburetted 308 built in late June (the day before Maranello shut down for the summer holiday) ?
Or some healthy, lively debate from many, with a few purist’s noses put out of joint along the way ?

You sir are the arbiter, so you get to choose

 

I did speak for myself, and there was nothing offensive in my post, merely counterpoints to your rude, unpleasant, and what some may say were aggressive posts.
So perhaps re-read what you’ve posted before accusing others of the same.
I’ll speak as I find, MY fellow Brits are clearly less tightly wound than you and yours ...

 

You haven't offended my sensibilities but you are breaking the FChat Terms of Use by being aggressive towards other members. Arguing is fine. Contrarian is fine.

 

I think the use of the ignore button is the solution here, well it is for me anyway. I've lost interest.

 

Good.

Hmm, I guess we're going to have to agree to differ on this one.

Excellent.

 

@JC Andruet Do you have the expression “The pot calling the kettle black” in the UK?Because the bigoted attitude you’re decrying is the same attitude you’re exhibiting towards those that disagree with your point of view.
Adults recognize and acknowledge differences of opinion; children engage in name calling. That’s why the Mod felt it necessary to chime-in.
Let’s all be adults, OK?
Regards,
Dave