Ferrari 599 GTO with 70.000 km

At the same time, if we consider the world population (8 billion people), we can say that ALL Ferrari models are rare

 

I think the numbers can be debated but what cannot be debated in my view is the substantially different experience the GTO offers as apposed to a 599.

 

Yes, the GTO experience is fortunately different from that of the 599 GTB, it can't be debated. But the same could be said of the Scuderia 430 vs F430 or 360 CS vs 360 Modena. And a Scud or a CS is not three times more expensive than a basic model while in terms of percentage of production Scud and CS are less numerous.... How to value the experience, I don't know. In my opinion, what makes the price of a GTO for a speculator today is also and above all 3 small letters.... But if it is enough to put GTO, TDF, LM, MM or Competizione after a number to raise the value of a car, it's kinda easy...

 

And we must not forget this: "GTO" means "Gran Turismo Omologata" in italian or "homologated for racing in grand touring" in english.
The 250 GTO was a real racing car.
The 288 GTO was developed to allow Ferrari to race in category B of the championship.
But the 599 GTO is only a distant "stradalization", and afterwards, of the 599XX, not the reverse (I mean the 599 GTO was not the basis for the 599XX); regarding the 430 Scuderia, it is different since it served as the basis for the development of the 430 Scuderia GT3 in 2009 for the FIA GT3 championship.

 

Numbers alone don't always necessarily tell the full story and is a relatively simplistic way of looking at things..........by your logic something like the F40 and/or the 812 Comp would be considered common. Limited by the factory, I would suggest, plays a greater part in establishing rarity than the actual numbers produced, but ultimately it is the market and time that decides.

 

Yes, with some conditions:
- the price is great
- don't buy it expecting to flip it and make money on it - there are too many low mileages I doubt you will manage to do that

 

I would rather say that it is the speculators who try to establish prices without any basis.
PS: Please don't compare the F40 with the 599 GTO

 

You clearly have it all worked out

 

euh....@Sturm59, the number of 599 produced (only Gtb and Gto) is closer to 6000 than 3600 !

 

prices for gto's are insane in the UK, the standard 599 has depreciated very heavily and the premium for a GTO vs the 599 is around £520,000

 

Less insane than they are in Europe and the US.

 

Insane premium, indeed, but no one buys.... Sellers can always ask crazy prices but without real buyers ready to take out the cash, the cars remain in the garages....

 

Exactly. Seems the youtubers/instagram kiddos seem to take asking prices a little bit too serious. A sold tag on a high asking price car doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean the car was sold at that price. It doesn't even mean the car has been sold in some cases. Artificial manipulation of prices is a thing...

If I put my X5 up for sale for 500K today doesn't mean it's actually worth that

 

It's really a gift for 500K, I offer 1M ........... J$

 

Sold!

 

According to Ferrari SpA, the 599 GTO's F140 CE engine is "about 90 percent of the 599XX's engine" paired as it was with the same F1 six-speed gearbox with 60-millisecond shift times from the 599XX, F1 derived brakes and uprated suspension, so I wouldn't describe it as only a distant stradalization, it's basically a road-legal 599XX according to the maker, something that's often overlooked.

Please check your PM's, sent you one on May the 8th.

 

2 weeks ago, i was at the "preowned day" from Ferrari Gohm in Singen, south Germany.
The silver GTO was offered for 989.900 €

Daniel

P.S.
I drove the 296 GTB for about 30 minutes.
Performance is without words.

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Put a 599 GTO and a 599XX on a track (with the same pilot!) and we'll talk about it again.

 

Mark a track test would be redundant as the XX is the track car, the GTO is the road car, so why would we not expect the XX with the same pilot to be quicker on the track? You've missed the point I made as supported by Ferrari SpA's own technical data, which is that the GTO is much more than a distant stradalization of the XX as you put it. If this fact has being overlooked, shame on those who overlook it, GTO owners know how potent the car is. FWIW I have a lot of factory technical, design, historical and resource material on the GTO, perhaps we'll make a proper resource thread for it.

 

You won't convince me or anyone here only with some words. You are a car dealer and I know too well their way of embellishing reality to sell. Do you have a GTO for sale in stock right now? The only real thing to do is to compare the 2 cars on a circuit. It must be easy for you. Otherwise, ask M.M., he will find it for you. If the gap is small between the 2 cars, we'll talk about it.

 

Sturm- Joe is more than just a dealer and I personally would take his word over yours any day.

 

Good for you. Personally, I only believe what I see...

I'm not going to denigrate the 599 GTO since I'm in negotiations to buy one but compare it to the XX, LOL. It's not a car dealer or a so called auction expert who will change my mind because I can't stand peddlers.....i know these people too well and they're willing to tell all and anything to sell and take their commission.

 

Not my words, Ferrari SpA's words on the record as I stated here www.ferrarichat.com, no embellishing of reality, the factory's technical specifications, the difference between the XX's Tipo F140 CF engine and the GTO's F140 CE engine isn't distant. Although a track-car XX vs road-car GTO test is redundant as the outcome is predictable, I do have one client has both so I'll ask him what he thinks.

No 599 GTO for sale sadly, I have quite a few clients who own them but unfortunately I can't get anyone to sell, although it's not been for lack of trying.

Thank you Terry, I think I will start that dedicated thread.

Aren't you in the F40 market thread peddling an F40, or at least trying to?

 

Your clients are waiting for the next bubble to make more profit. You know as well as I do that Ferraris are no longer objects of pleasure but rather financial investments... Profit first

 

I am not a peddler like you but a collector. I simply offer the car of a person I know and I do not take any commission, unlike brokers like you who have no added value except on the price that they sell the cars. The owner is selling it at the price I said. Maybe he'll just give me a little gift in return...
Moreover, I have just bought a 430 Scuderia directly from a collector like me, without going through a broker who would have asked me, I think, at least 30K€ for the same car.