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  1. Aardy

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    you are sure with this number: 0250?? as I remember at that time all 12 cylinder street cars had odd numbers, only the 12 cylinder race cars had even numbers and the non 12 cylinder cars
     
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    #0250 MM is a race car.
     
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    sorry, not looks like a race car with carpets in
     
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    It’s not a street car but a sport car. This PF berlinetta (s/n 0250MM) is the one crashed by Franco Rol a few weeks later in the Giro di Sicilia (#429).
     
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    Some PF berlinettas sometimes received slightly more luxurious than average finishes. And a few cars have even become real « stradale » for a road use...
     
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    thank you for the info cyril
     
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    8 March 1953 : Twelve Hour Grand Prix of Endurance, Sebring, Florida (USA).

    First round of the new World Sportscar Championship but no official Ferrari !
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    #5 Vignale Spider 225 S 0220ED Jim Kimberly/Marshall Lewis Result : DNF

    #8 Vignale Spider 225 S 0218ET William Spear/Phil Hill Result : DNF

    #45 Vignale Coupe 225 S 0168ED Peter Yung/Robert Yung Result : 8th

    #49 Touring Barchetta 166 MM 0054M Ed Lunken/Charles R. Hassen Result : 6th (1st 2 liters)

    #65 Touring Barchetta 340 America 0120A Tom Cole/Bill Lloyd DNS

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    1st overall :
    #57 Cunningham C-4R Chrysler Spyder Walters/Fitch (Briggs S. Cunningham entry)

    All pics from Racingsportscars website except #49 found on the web (please, post the link). #57 is from April 1953 MotorSport magazine cover.
     
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    Very, very minor addendum: Should read Charles R. Hassan rather than Hassen.

    Thank you for this wonderful thread, Cyril.
    I eagerly await all of your posts(!).
     
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    Hi Dave,
    Many thanks for the correction (tipo ! :oops:) and your kind words ! ;)
     
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    Hello,
    don't know if the "smaller" races fit in your thread...
    Here is Rallye Soleil Cannes, 29.03. - 02.04.1953

    sport cars over 2.000 ccm:
    S/N 0236 M / Nr. 560 / Picard - Barraquet / 1. IC
    (pic can be found in Maurice Louches "Emotion Ferrari", page 80)

    sport cars til 2.000 ccm:
    S/N 0244 M / Picard - Astri / 2. IC
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    Sorry, not Picard, but Pagnibon
    sport cars over 2.000 ccm:
    S/N 0236 M / Nr. 560 / Pagnibon - Barraquet / 1. IC
     
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    And yet, like in most vintage sports cars, the interior of the “0250 MM” appear so austere, minimalistic and simple compared to actual “luxury” cars of its/their time and/or since.

    OTOH, in true “(ultra-)luxury” cars the interior details, finishes and material selections are usually focused in the rear of the passenger compartment, as the drivers area is/was occupied by the help, i.e. the chauffeur.
     
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    Yes, « smaller » races can fit in this thread, thanks ! Never seen a pic of Picard’s 0244M at this race. Pagnibon car was 0236MM...;)
     
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    250MM PF Berlinetta went through an interesting transition. After making the six first cars it already started to turn out racing customers preferred a spider, and they also seriously developed the 4-cylinder cars at the the time providing significantly more torque urgently needed on slower circuits. After 0270MM they only built 2 cars for pure racing purposes, about all the rest became "sort of" luxury grand tourers for rich customers. It is particularly interesting as they had by 1953 already created what would become the ultimate GT concept: short wheelbase berlinetta with a 3-litre Colombo-engine.
     
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    Everybody knows the photo of the PF body in the backyard of the factory in late 50’s but I would give anything to find out what happened to 0236MM frame. Probably rebody but in what form ?
     
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    Do we have photos that prove the frame was not there? I think it could have been a frame + body with everything else stripped for parts. All 5Ws remains unanswered (who, what, where, when, why) - don't even know who painted that nose ring...
     
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    With the Scaglietti body #19 in the background of the pic (frame receiving a Fantuzzi body), I’m still convinced the car has been rebodied in something but not proof at all...
     
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    Painted nose ring was on 0236 MM body by 13 June 1953.
    See pix of Savoy Trophy.

    Marcel Massini
     
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