Thanks, mate. Just asking if Lewis has crossed one of F1's lines. Especially when it makes headlines in the UK, the internet, and elsewhere.
Multiple championships where he didnt have the fastest car? Huh? All but one of his championships have been with a dominant car, let alone the fastest. The 2008 McLaren was just as fast as the Ferrari. I would say most champions have spent their time in average cars. Hamilton being the exception where he spent most of his career in the best car. Prost is another that always seemed to enjoy good equipment. The debate can be what constitutes an average car. I suppose to me a car that is capable of poles and wins throughout the season isn't just an average car.
As you said with Alonso, Hamilton has won multiple championships where he did not have the fastest car all season,08, 2017,18. Alonso hasn't done anything Lewis hasn't. But Lewis has done way more than Alonso has'nt. This isn't even debatable.
Well, he was "1st loser"... This place is hilarious... Fernando Alonso? Seriously? When people start holding up Fernando Alonso as some kind of model F1 guy, you know you're in trouble. Everything that happened over Alonso's career is of his OWN making. He certainly had the talent to win more WDC's...I wonder why he didn't??? It's telling when you're WDC capable and can't keep a job.
Sorry, let me clarify. I meant the average over the season, or fastest in 60% or more of the races. The Renault was perhaps the fastest for the first 5 races or so, then McLaren took over and was the fastest car. Ferrari on average were the fastest car all year in 2006, but only by a tenth or two. 07 it can be argued that the McLaren was the fastest and best car, but I tend to believe Alonso/Hamilton were better drives than Kimi/Massa 08 McLaren and Ferrari were pretty much on par, though the Ferrari technically was slightly faster. 17 Mercedes was definitely the fastest and best car of that year. 15 wins, 13 poles. 4 1-2 quali's. Dominant. 18 Mercedes from Franche on was even more so the fastest and best car of that year. A dominant car Alonso won 2 championships without the best car. Nearly won 2010 in what could be the 3rd best car. Truth is McLaren and Ferrari were very close, and neither were far off the Red Bull. Nearly won in 2012 with a car that had no business even winning races. Hamilton in 2010 had perhaps the 2nd best car and finished 4th in the WCC. Hamilton in 2012 had the fastest car in qualifying, but they could never get race results to match it's outright speed. Finished 4th in the WCC, not even in contention. I believe Alonso is the better driver, and I have my reasons why. You believe Hamilton is the better driver, you have your reasons. We can debate the reasons, but in the end they have had massively different careers which gave them much different successes.
I wouldn't say it's ALL of his own making, but I would certainly agree Alonso was among his own worst enemies to his career. Sadly he may have been right and spoke facts, but he didn't play the political game necessary to get all the advantages that a lot of other drivers were given. Despite many of his poor decisions, he could still be a 5 time champion if it wasn't for a few hiccups. If it was a 5x champ, a lot more people would talk about him being the GOAT.
^^^ They've had the careers their peronalities dictated. Also known as: "shoulda/woulda/coulda" To ding Hamilton for his success, by being smart enough to NOT p&ss off everyone he worked with is rather silly. IMO, Alonso frittered away his best years, and only now has had this revelation.
I don't think anyone can blame Hamilton for making the moves he's made to better his career. Maybe he has had some favoritism from the FIA/F1 along the way (wouldn't be the only one), who knows, doesn't matter as he knew how to get what he wanted. It resulted in the most successful career in F1 history, and that can't be disputed. Does being the most successful driver make him the best driver? No, not at all. And thus these types of conversations will continue for years to come.
^^^ Indeed It's like the never ending "100 best guitar players of all time", or the "100 best singers of all time" lists that Rolling Stone (in particular) seems to love. "Best" is an opinion. Sadly, some here should keep that in mind, as "Best" is not provable.
Did Ferrari not challange for wins and Poles? only reason they failed to do so was the same reason Ferrari finished so far behind last year even though they was very close performance wise for a lot of the season, which made it look like Max dominated when really Ferrari kept messing up ( n its drivers ), like Vettel 2017 finished 46 points behind even though most of the reason he was behind was due to him self or Ferraris brilliant pit wall, and like every season since the MSC days, they keep losing the development race bringing mostly poor / not as good upgrades as RB and Merc. 18 was exactly the same. although Merc did win, the performance between the top two was fairly close, Even Redbull managed a few wins as the 3rd best constructor on merit, and Ferrari caused it own challange to fail apart as they do so well as history shows, they are very consistant at fcking things up for them selfs be it driver error or team error.
I find Hamilton's rap/hip hop/gangsta/jive behavior on Sunday to be disgusting and a disgrace to the sport.
The problem you might have is nobody cares. The fact that nobody is talking about others drivers behavior because they are a boring, is what F1 is trying to avoid.
No its because other drivers are not a disgrace to the sport like snoop 44 . Not a matter of other drivers being boring . That fool had earbuds and was listening to music during the drivers parade. dancing around like a frickn punk, IGNORING HIS FANS. TOTAL ASS
Your just saying the other drivers are boring in a nicer way. What did Hamilton do that was disgracefull?
Read what I wrote then go look on youtube. I shut off anytime he is on tv . But I saw him for a few seconds on the parade acting like a thug rapper fool, could give a crap about anyone. PHONY is not exciting.
I didn't even see the parade. But I just watched it for the first time to see what you are talking about. Are you talking about Hamilton enjoying some tunes during the car ride? Please tell me you are not offended by a person grooving to music. Please.... Please. Because its a sad life if this offends a person. This is all I saw from him, and other drivers acting like robots with no personality. If a person is offended by this, I would think they maybe in fact a robot themselves. If you never seen an athlete before a game with headphones listening yo music, you need to get out.
Ok man whatever you say. Im offended by that? Its a drivers parade for the FANS , not a parade for him to act like he does, his attitude sux, enjoy him while you can. I want my sport back as others do. I can see he does no wrong in your mind. Get up from your kneeling and fist in the air and go look at yourself in a mirror. No more replies.
Ok to make you feel better, F1, Soccer, NBA, NFL, Baseball, all pro athletes, no head phones or music allowed before a game. Stand directly straight and walk military style as soon as they arrive onsite. In fact lets get Hamilton a before race formal attire, no shades, or jewelry, only wave to the crowd presidential style. No laughing or joking during this time. The sport is for the fans . The fans would like no personality shown from any driver. If so a 2 race ban.
Ferrari had their moments. I don't recall the team and drivers throwing away multiple victories. Everyone remembers Germany in 2018 of course. The reality is Mercedes out developed them in a big big way. They did the same in 2017. The Ferrari was a good car in both 17 and 18, came out of the gates strong. Perhaps not the best car, but definitely in the fight for wins. Then Mercedes developed into being the dominant car both years. They felt like competitive years when they followed 2014-16, but Mercedes still easily won the championships. 2017 Mercedes: 20 races, 15 poles, 12 wins, 8 FL, 26 podiums, 1 DNF. 668 pts. WCC, WDC. Fastest car in quali and race 2018 Mercedes: 21 races, 13 poles, 11 wins, 9 FL, 25 podiums, 2 DNF, 665 pts. WCC, WDC. Fastest car in quali and race Can you really say those cars weren't dominant? Nothing like 2014-16, 19 and 20 though. Of all the championships Lewis won with Mercedes, I would for sure say the 17 and 18 ones were his most credible ones.
Whatever. The guy isn't allowed to express his own personality. Clash of cultures perhaps ? Maybe Hamilton isn't the problem, but intolerance is ?
