Nothing you stated changed my point that the Ferrari was a car that was capable of winning the championship. And the Mercedes was not dominant. Hamilton was great to comeback and win both championships.
I heap praise when it is deserved, usually for people who win. I am not startsruck by any driver or team. Is that so difficult for you to understand? Hamilton is in the past now, and the man of the moment is Verstappen. BTW, he is Dutch, and the team Austrian, so much for British bias !!
Vettel simply lost his head that year. He collapsed under pressure. The Baku incident was a clear indication of his mental state. It was sad to see a good driver falling apart, and he has never been the same since, IMO.
Sportmen with his background are role models for many like my sons. What I resent are the unfair attacks because of his persona. I think his time in F1 is over now.
Few drivers had Ron Dennis as their personal youth mentor, or an incredible supporter and lobbyist such as Anthony. Persona forms a major part of the individual, at the individual's own choice. Maybe you have greater emotional capacity than you give yourself credit for.
But Hamilton DID walk 6 miles to school every day, with one shoe (shared the other with his sibling), in the snow, uphill, both ways.
With Marchionne dying unexpectedly a few days before, it was to be an important win. Ferrari was immediately a rudderless ship (still is today), Vettel after that tried to play the Schumacher role (his lifetime hero and all that), but that was far from easy. Combine that with a car that simply wasn't as fast as the Mercedes was, the ever so "considerate" Italian media and you end up with the disaster we're still in today.
Truth is 2017 and 2018 cars weren’t good enough to mount a serious challenge against Mercedes. Since 2010 you need to be perfect on every respect to beat the new top teams generation ( Mercedes, Red Bull) and Ferrari lacks always something at best ( 2010-2012-2017-2018). Of course I don’t talk about the disastrous years (2011-2014-2016-2020-2023..)
Absolutely. The Ferrari of 2017 and 18 where quick but needed to be in a perfect window and perfect strategy to win. On a bad day for Mercedes, it was still very close...on a day when it went well for Mercedes, they could qualify half a second up the road on mediums, and run away on sunday. Ferrari needed perfect seasons to win. It was an uphill battle from day 1. It's nice that some try to portray Mercedes as some kind of underdog, but you'd have to be seriously impaired to actually believe that...
I don't know. Vettel threw a ton of points away. I still believe that Alonso would have bagged at least one championship during those years, but it would have been close.
was it not said that with out vettels errors ( just his, so not including bad pit stops and reliability and incidents with Max ) he would have won the title with 285 points to LH's 235 points? “I don’t believe in bad luck. Ultimately, it’s a reflection of the way in which we manage these businesses,” Marchionne said. “In the second half of the season it was a combination of technical issues and driver error or driver misjudgement. “It’s a 2018 objective now. We regret not having done better, but the car is there. It is in my view probably the best car on the track today.”
So, Lewis won because he DID NOT make mistakes, M-B DID NOT make mistakes, while Ferrari/Vettel made baskets of mistakes. And somehow, this reflects badly...on Lewis? Some of the stuff in this thread is so...idiotic that it boggles the mind.
That's an interesting question. I'm sure the experts will come up with SOMETHING that shows Lewis is lucky/there was an FIA conspiracy/etc... Or, barring that... They could just give the guy credit for being a professional, on a professional team, all acting...professionally?
In 2017 he was. Destroyed his champion teammate, while Lewis was just comfortably ahead of his overrated contracted #2 driver, who was in his first year at Mercedes, and a driver that can barely stay ahead of his rookie teammate at Alfa. Vettel also put a run for the championship with an inferior car. Lewis and Mercedes did make mistakes, and Lewis flat out had some poor drives. Lewis's drove poorly in Monaco quali, which hurt his race badly. Didn't have a great drive in Austria. Made a mistake in Mexico. Likely would have won Baku if it wasn't for his headrest. A car that gets on the podium 19 our of 20 races. What a tough a year for Lewis driving such a junk car. 2018, I'd say otherwise. Vettel had the car for half the season, did well, but was terrible in any wheel to wheel battles and threw away his hopes. I doubt it would have been enough anyways, as once Mercedes developed into a dominant car once again, there was very little hope Vettel would have won.
hmmm hmm, so it had nothing to do with vettels bad qualifying in the Monza rain in which even a williams and a force india started a head of him, which lost him his championship lead, and reliability woes in Malasia, his poor show taking him self and his team mate and max out in Singapore, his tough luck in japan, losing not one, but 2 places by turn 2 then crashing again in mexico ruining his race, you cant sit and say those races didnt end vettels hopes of winning the title. Until Monza, he was leading because he and Ferrari was the better car and team as the results had proven, it wasnt until Monza it all started to fall apart, those next 5 races....... lol......
I never said Vettel and Ferrari didn't make their mistakes or have issues. For some reason you want to believe the Ferrari was the fastest car when it in fact was not. I've done the research and looked through every race and I know that the Mercedes was the fastest car. I am quite certain you have not. Go do it if you do not believe me. The Mercedes was the fastest car on average over the course of 2017 and 2018. I wouldn't say the Merc was dominate from day the start to the end on either season, but I would certainly say there is an argument for them developing into a dominant car both seasons. Regardless of if debate of dominance, the Mercedes was in fact the fastest car. It's getting to the point you are desperately trying to make a case that Vettel deserved the championship more than Lewis, suggesting that it required a perfect season by Lewis and Mercedes (since you don't want to acknowledge any of their struggles) to beat Vettel and Ferrari who had a whole bunch of bad luck and bad races and were still competitive.
No, you you saying the ferrari wasnt as quick, but it was just as if not quicker than the Merc on race days, keep repeating the dominate phrase, when nothing in the times, the failure of Vettel ( One which he says, not my words, he him self says HE FAILED to win in 2017 and 2018 - but you keep arguing that LOL ) The Ferrari was constantly faster in race pace than the merc. Maybe you should rewatch the season........ or atleast you know, read some conclusions because your all wrong. But if you want to disagree with Vettel who says 2017 - 2018 was a failure because he didnt win the title, and Ferrari, who claim they failed to win 2017 - 2018 because of sorry ill direct quote " Marchionne said. “In the second half of the season it was a combination of technical issues and driver error or driver misjudgement. " keep arguing........... if you want to sit and honestly say to your self, that if Ferrari had not thrown away those 5 extra victorys they would have had if they finished where they was expected too, then that is up to you, But that is not a correct view on why Ferrari failed to win the championship in 2017 - 2018 seasons, as said byFerrari, and Vettel them selfs. Next your going to say Merc was fastest in 2018, even though only on 7 occasions was it actually the fastest car....... https://the-race.com/formula-1/mark-hughes-ferraris-missed-chances-to-topple-mercedes/ https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/30489520/vettel-my-ferrari-was-failure https://www.crash.net/f1/news/886651/1/driver-error-partly-blame-ferrari-failings https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/10832006/whos-fastest-in-f1-2017-mercedes-or-ferrari-vettel-or-hamilton https://the-race.com/formula-1/why-ferrari-is-playing-catch-up-with-its-once-leading-f1-chassis/........................................................ https://sportsmonkie.com/fastest-f1-cars/ << strange how the SF70h is number 1 and not the w08 Merc...... seeing as it apparently DOMINATED.......
I don't base my conclusions on words, I base it on data. At least as much as possible. I do recall you also believe Red Bull had the best car in 2021 because Newey said so. The data says otherwise. Did you seriously post an article that says the Red Bull was the 2nd fastest car of all time as of 2017, and that a 2016 Manor is 4th?
