Official Ferrari 812 Competizione and C Aperta value thread

Thanks for posting Grant

@Admin may I suggest to modify the thread title ? it's far too similar to the official 812C picture and news thread and generates confusion

I suggest to rename it "812 Competizione value thread"

 

It’s interesting just how high these have gone, I didn’t think they’d surpass f12 tdf prices but here we are !

the sf90 lm is supposedly going to be even more limited than the c but with it being hybrid I’d be surprised if it can achieve 1.5m+ anytime soon

 

Yes last one i heard sold for about £1.4M and one is advertised at £1.65M by a private seller showing deposit taken on a car for what that’s worth. In my opinion i agree with you the Tdf is the better and rarer car and seeing them around £1M-£1.1M for low mileage examples in comparison feels a better deal i can see them moving up pretty quickly from there as the comp settles at a much higher price point.

 

More likely the Comp settles down some. I think they will dip to £900k-£1m then head up to +/-£1.2m for a good while. TDF will drift towards that too. All IMO of course.

One thing that might make things interesting for all petrol cars is whether being forced into EVs means that the old petrol cars start to get a bigger than expected bounce, and whether that applies to exotics or not.

ZEV legislation from 2024 will force the take-up of EVs in the market. Personally, I predict carnage. It never works well when government tries to use force instead of enticement. But, it must also mean that new petrol allocations and older petrol used cars will suddenly see a spike in value as people hold on to them.

 

carnage is absolutely the right word!

during the last 2 months I’ve been travelling the world for pleasure after working for 2 years without a holiday, being a car guy I’ve paid attention to what people are driving in general and noticed that in some poorer countries I didn’t see a single EV / there is no infrastructure yet at all for electric cars. I can definitely imagine lots of older petrol cars making their way to these countries as the market collapses. I doubt this’ll be applicable to supercars though !

 

Absolutely 100%. Underdeveloped countries will absorb our petrol cars while we ban them. And only then in time will they start to ban them.

 

You reckon the tdf will drift towards£900-£1m or +-£1.2M?

i think with the legislation those limited V12 will become rarer, fewer will be produced by carmakers and those that will will be at exorbitant prices. Add to that the fact that the character , sound and emotion you get in a car like the tdf will likely be unrepeatable making it very sought after. Finally inflation is there to stay which will push prices higher and turn these cars into safe stores of wealth. In my view they will appreciate. I can see the tdf 3 years from now being around £1.5M. They are already selling around £1.3/1.4 overseas for the good low mileage examples.
Last thing is Ferrari are making it more punitive ( allocation-wise) for owners to part with those cars early and targeting a very wealthy audience who can afford and are incentivised to hold onto them long term to stay in the game. Those limited V12 and in particular the tdf ( being imo the sweet spot of those special series) will be worth a lot more in the near future.

 

I believe that many forget an essential factor in this equation: the will of governments and lobbies
It is very simple to prevent us from driving on the open road in the future, because for that it is enough to vote a super annual road tax which discourages 80% of owners. Who wants to pay 50k a year to use their car ???
It takes 15 mm in parliament, and no one will cry for the symbol that we represent, as you can imagine.
And for me, it's really the X factor to be vigilant about !

 

it’s a certainty that will happen imo but I’m not sure in what form.

now is the only time to buy an older car and enjoy it

 

In my opinion the limited cars, most sought after models well preserved will become part of automotive history and will be highly collectable, live and private collections and museums and be safe stores of wealth like paintings and other artworks are. The production series cars, high mileage this is one thing. But the sort of cars we debating here like the Tdf , if its a nive example well preserved car it’ll be worth in the millions. People will buy rare / unrepeatable piece of history / automotive artwork.

 

I think many owners are aware of this which is why they barely ever get driven

 

If the tdf can no longer roll and has no other vocation than to become a painting, it will hardly be worth more than the cost of a kilogram of aluminum...
pay attention to certainties in this period !
There would be no logic in preventing the manufacture, then authorizing the rolling of existing ones.
I think that in the next 10 years, a lot will happen.

 

I think they will still be able to roll, Ferrari and the lobbies will manage to produce them ( maybe with hydrogen or efuels) in limited quantities at sky high prices and after all a lot of collectors buy those cars with a low mileage with no intention to roll them but to collect them in private garages for passion and investment. I take my bet : they will skyrocket in the next 10 years, due to rarity, and frankly how beautiful , exceptionnel and unrepeatable they are.

 

The US allows automobiles with no EPA qualification to be imported if they are over 25 years old. I believe they will allow most gas powered cars to just become obsolete after banning new production. It would be far too unpopular to ban cars that owners had purchased legally. Remember their is an equalizer called elections when the pendulum swings too far.


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Almost nothing substantial will happen in the next 10 years except for AI. Battery tech is not there and there is not enough infrastructure to keep lights on in the summer. Used supercar prices will wax and wain. We are much more likely to get hit with another crippling pandemic or some kind of major conflict than see an EV revolution. Oil/gas/coal will continue to rule over that time horizon.

 

I really could not agree with you more. There is so much virtue signalling from the governments on this topic while inflation runs wild and interest rates go through the roof. We don't know enough about long term scalability of battery tech and EVs to be banning petrol cars. Best example is what happened with Germany banning Nuclear plants to appease the Greens and guess what the Green parties agenda has now resulted in 40% of German energy production coming from Coal

 

I think Comp will drift towards £1.2m and TDF too. My guess is that Comp bottoms below £1.2m before settling there. Who knows though. I didn’t think Comp would get to £1.5-£1.8m out of the box.

 

Have you heard of Comp selling in the £1.5-£1.8m range?

 

SSC in the UK has one for sale @ £1.8m atm

 

Yes they were asking initially £1.6, then they moved the price to £1.7 and now £1.8. Supposedly they sold one car and now asking more for this car. There’s another car from a private seller at £1.65 that shows under offer

 

This BS (climate hoax) is going to be exposed and shut down faster than anyone on here thinks, at least in America. It'll take a while to de-wash EU/UK.
Hopefully the scare tactics will force down the prices, although I doubt it.

 

Someone one just said "F you *******, this is my asking price":
https://bernardsexclusives.nl/ferrari-812-competizione-blu-tour-de-france/
2,1million Euro = 2,3mln USD.
This is a legitimate car and not a slot btw.

 

Yesand they are a serious dealer as well not a BS, obscure small dealership