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  1. aobao1993

    aobao1993 Formula Junior

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    what?
     
  2. j09333

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    Deposit is done.

    Lets see how this one will be. I really wish I can switch off front traction control when I do esc off mode. This was the killer for me when driving SF90 sideways. Front intervention made the car dangerous and unpredictavle.


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  3. REALZEUS

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    Certainly less compromised than an aluminium chassis, but still not unaffected in terms of weight and rigidity. The latter is an educated speculation on my part, given that the coupe's carbon tub is enclosed, having a roof bracing, strengthening it ever more, compared to the al fresco Aperta. Ferrari claims that the reinforced the lower part of the the (thus adding weight), but reached the almost same rigidity as the coupe. Spending millions to develop a sportscar as good as possible and then compromising it is a bizarre concept.


    I am aware of all that but even Ferrari admits they had to add reinforcements. Unfortunately we don't have actual weight figures.


    Did you by any chance mean to quote me? Because quoting yourself, puzzled me.


    Congrats, but I don't think they will do that. It's not meant to be a drift car. Depriving the car of more than 200 HP on its more hardcore setting makes no sense whatsoever. Now, if they added a specialised drift mode, that could happen, but as we know this is not a drift car.
     
  4. j09333

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    Thank you. Costed me quite some to buy back and re register the car again.

    At first I thought they can not turn it off because there might be some sort of safety feature to protect the motor from sudden directional chages. Then I saw Youtube when Chris Harris mentions Ferrari gave another car to try and that car was completely different, and how Rimac does with 4wd 2wd switch with touch of button. I feel it is possible if they allow.


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  5. Cocoloco

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    #1155 Cocoloco, May 21, 2023
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    My Spider i
    HQ (bean counter or legal) looks at Carrera GT suits - driver says they turned it off by mistake or or or ... lawsuits come piling in.
    CH always gets the second review "save" - shockingly or an incentive to change his thoughts.
    Bought and paid for journalists - CH personally never says why he changed his mind and pivots when asked - how was it completely different. It's to the point that he makes it as if the factory learned how to build a car on his second review. Perhaps he gets an early car and then a fully developed. Would be nice even if it took multiple adjustments to have the option.

    Ferrari will put everything they have to give to a driver on track in a street legal car. I wouldn't hold out hopes on Ferrari letting their customers hang loose.
     
  6. j09333

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    Lol too bad if someone got mad about traction control. Better learn to drive first.

    If Ferrari can give one the option of turning fromt motor control off when selecting esc off mode, it will be a blast to drive sideways. I know for a fact. Because I went to the extent that I depleted battery so that I can slide with motor only with SF90 and it was magical. So tasteful. So easy to modulate. I really wish they let us.


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  7. Jonathan19

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  8. Lcawley

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    Hey guys, even race cars have traction control and are faster with them. Technology is our friend in the car at the edge. Admittedly we have 16 different TC settings so we can dial down to the minimum but different surfaces and tire conditions are made faster and safer with TC!


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    He might be the most Italian guy I’ve ever heard! Good shots though.
     
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  11. willcrook

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    really impressed with the SF90 AF watching this video, especially the way it cuts through the corners with so much grip and accelerates

    he does however mention that the suspension is a little soft and he is excited about the VS and expects it to be an incredibly wild / capable car!
     
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  12. JJ77

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    Think he said the base SF90 was soft and this Assetto Fiorano tightened it up, but not going to watch it again. he would have enjoyed the car more if he put it in Qualy Mode not Performance!
     
  13. Lukeylikey

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    #1163 Lukeylikey, May 25, 2023
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    As chance would have it I did my first track day with our SF90 AF coupe on the day the Nurburgring track video dropped. It was at Silverstone where I am now quite used to the track (without having mastered it yet) driving 991 GT3 RS and GT2 RS and also 992 GT3. Because of the change of car and the fact the SF is the most powerful car I have driven on track - and it also belongs to me…- I chose to be a little cautious. Probably good decision although my lap times were only similar to my best in the GT cars. I think I could certainly get a few seconds quicker than my pace in the 992 GT3 (actually the best of the GT cars I have owned so far in terms of an amateur extracting a lap because the front end is so grippy and friendly compared with the 991s, even the 2RS).

    I have driven the SF90 at very fast road speeds in Europe up mountains etc and found it to be excellent. The torque vectoring works so naturally and serves to keep the front tied in to even sharp mountain turns. You can really use the power because of the security the front end gives. If you consider the SF90 as Ferrari’s answer to the bigger-than-Huracan Aventador, that’s as far as it goes. The Aventador is a harder drive than the Huracan because of its weight and size. The SF90 hides that much better on the road. I think it’s a little misunderstood and a lot brilliant. It’s like a very fast Speciale, so seamless is the way the electricity and electronics works. And that for me is a very very good thing.

    On track I used Qualifying mode and Sport to begin with. Why Sport mode? Because 1,000hp and 1.7 tonnes reaching 170 mph on Hangar Straight and over 160 mph on the Wellington Straight (!) is just other-worldly. I have heard it said that the 2 RS can do 170 mph on Hangar straight but it never quite got there in my hands. For reference, when you are driving your own £300k+ car on an uninsured track day, it’s maybe a bit wiser to drive at 95%. The SF90 did it first lap, straight out of the box with only half a lap warm up time. It is so effortlessly powerful. That actually defines the experience in one way. It is hard to gauge lap times on a track day where I don’t measure lap times but tend to record some sessions and look at the video timings after the day has finished. So I was a little disappointed to discover that I went around the same speed as my best in the 992 GT3 but there was quite a bit of traffic and i think if I constructed a composite lap from the video I might be a bit quicker. The video was ruined unfortunately because I made the rookie error of not turning down the auto exposure so the track was blown out. Idiot.

    So why was I not 5 seconds quicker straight away? I think the first thing is because I was using traction control at quite a heavy setting and I never got to CT off during the day. The second thing is that the SF90 makes Silverstone a slightly different track. You are approaching the corners at much higher speeds but the aero is less so the braking needs much more finesse. In my head was the thought “much less aero” but as the day went on I learned that the SF90 has much more grip than you might think. I could have leaned on it much more. Also when you’re quickly coming down from much higher speeds, exactly how much you have to brake and how much brake to leave in when you begin the turn is much harder to judge. It is very different to the GT cars. I need to practice it because although I know the circuit, my reference points had all changed. Then there’s the weight. I know we have had this debate here but the fact is you definitely do feel the weight. I don’t have an objection to it because it is that weight that is giving you the insane power and response. No turbo lag because the throttle response is instant, just like the Speciale. So braking hard from high speeds and turning in with high mechanical grip but less aero grip makes working out braking completely different to what I have done before. I definitely got better as the day went on but for whatever reason (traffic, track temperatures higher in the afternoon, tiredness etc) I can’t find a faster lap in my video recordings. I was lapping in the high 2.20’s pretty consistently all day it seems. By the way, the brakes were immense and never faded all day. In fact they got properly bedded in and I noticed how much better they felt on the drive home. They did get too hot after about 5 laps but you can blame the TC for that.

    But how about the important thing. Did I enjoy it and was it a fun experience? Once I had got over the initial fear of taking our own 1,000hp car that doesn’t feel heavy but I know is, to the track and planting my right foot, I began to learn a few things. The SF90 feels like a super-powerful Speciale, especially on track. The technology is brilliant and is so seamless to use, it’s natural, organic and really brilliant. Honestly, they are so so good at this. I was not thinking about the torque vectoring (in fact I couldn’t actually feel it on the the track really). The car allowed me to do the thing of concentrating on my driving and trying to get the combination of driver, car and track to work each other out without disturbance, save for the too-intrusive traction control settings I was using. The SF90 is a marvel. It really is. I need to go back with it to Silverstone and with the confidence I have in it plus using Race and then CT off from the beginning of the day I know I can easily go lower than my best time, traffic allowing. Traffic definitely becomes an issue because you are faster than everything on the straights (except there was some kind of Corvette that was also very quick on the straight for some reason) and the closing speeds can be really scary if you’re not concentrating. It does everything I want in a track day car. It’s friendly, beautifully balanced, powerful, grippy, full of feedback and ultimately, really entertaining and interesting to drive. I certainly haven’t found out all its secrets but it’s that that keeps you coming back for more.

    As a final point, when I got out the brakes smelled that familiar Ferrari smell. It had been a while since I was on track in one of our Ferraris and the Porsches smell different. Ferrari seemed to smell nicer and kind of familiar. A strange thing to say but I love the smell and I loved the fact that getting out of the car after my first stint my reaction was “yep, it’s a Ferrari alright’’. Everything felt familiar. Like my oldest Ferrari track friend the Speciale. I can’t give it a greater compliment really. So here’s a question. A day on track in the Speciale or the SF90? I think if it is just one day, it has to be the SF90. The performance is like nothing else. Over the longer term I guess the Speciale is simpler, more similar in speed to other traffic and probably cost you less in tyres and brakes! Oh, and it’s still brilliant fun and less controversial. But the SF90 impressed. The VS version? I have an allocation. Will I be able to resist putting it on track - probably a very valuable car? Of course not. But I’ll be heavily on my mind and I’ll be getting a little nervous about it from about a week before! Maybe that’s what I’m paying for…
     
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    Excellent synopsis!
    Love the comparisons to the Speciale.
    Glad to hear that the SF90 is a marvel, now really can’t wait to get mine.


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    Yes, already posted some weeks ago but no issue.
     
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  17. Cocoloco

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    VS debut around the corner and then years for delivery.
    Nice to hear an owners review with real world impressions.
    Mine is still many months away but sounds like it's going to be one hell of a ride.
     
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  18. Jonathan19

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    Did we know when exactly the SF90LM will be show?

    It will be june but first half or second?
     
  19. carz80am

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    If it really is being called the SF90LM, I'd assume at Le Mans which is the first half of June
     
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    Don't know if it's the final name but if will be show at Le Mans them teaser is not far i guess.
     
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  22. Maximus1973

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    Excellent track review of the SF90.
    And one of a truly proper drive; thank you, for both!
    Now I also can't wait for my Spider next week.
     
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  23. tfazio

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    It will be unveiled on June 26 in Maranello.
     
  24. Jonathan19

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    Thanks!
     
  25. Garretto

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    Why do you call it SF90LM then?
     

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