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LaFerrari replacement: v12, no hybrid, less power than SF90stradale?

Discussion in '288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari' started by Ale55andr0, Dec 24, 2019.

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  1. jpalmito

    jpalmito F1 Veteran

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    Your are fully right about the logic.
    Nevertheless they decided to put their glorious V12 NA in a SUV and the V6TT in their halo car..
     
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  2. 4re4ever

    4re4ever Formula 3

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    It's a TT V6 said and done many pages ago... lets move on
     
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  3. Johnny_Bravo

    Johnny_Bravo Formula Junior

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    :(:(:(
     
  4. ferrarifanatic25

    ferrarifanatic25 Formula Junior

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    You literally can’t make this stuff up. Yet here we are. What in God’s name are they thinking over there?
     
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  5. jpalmito

    jpalmito F1 Veteran

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    Truth is the Brand is so powerful right now that they can sell everything they want at a delirious price..
     
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  6. 4re4ever

    4re4ever Formula 3

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    Call it wild, crazy, even insane... But the fact is that V6TT is amazing, a version of it Won the 24hr of Nurburgring and has them on Pole at Le Mans.

    We are returning to the 1980s to the days of the F40 solution, one of Ferrari's greatest cars (and time periods for road car success) and the last past the man himself and oh boy did it have an impact on the world and it still does today. just less a couple of cylinders of course. It's a bitter sweet kinda thing, But if it can take the world like the F40 did, I am all for it. We still have our classic Grand Tourer in the form of the F167 with a V12 coming.
     
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  7. jpalmito

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    Obviously this V6TT is a technical masterpiece.
    I’m very very happy to see Ferrari competitive in different categories because ( partially) of it.
    I just regret they didn’t decided to build a brand new V12 NA for the coming decade..
     
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  8. 4re4ever

    4re4ever Formula 3

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    The Enzo was the Last, true to that breed.... The La Ferrari started the change..
     
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  9. F12B88

    F12B88 Karting

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    Yeah but when we glorify a V6TT, saying it won this race and that race. It only means something if it was against what we want and won. NOT against other V6TT :D:D:D If it beat a V12 in a endurance race, we have something to talk about but other V6TT and NA V8 nothing to brag about in my opinion. Same thing with the Ford GT. Cool car, but a V6TT? really Ford? :eek::eek::(
     
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  10. 4re4ever

    4re4ever Formula 3

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    NA V12s wouldn't win like they use to anymore. Before MS joined Ferrari's F1 team. They were the only team left still running a V12 in F1 and they got destroyed by the V10s of the other teams. (Ford only won there class, Ferrari won outright) An NA V12 would pit more and would not have the the same wider range power band of the V6TT. The V6TT would be in and out of corners much faster and would pick up speed down the straight much faster which would reduce the advantage of that raw top end power of the V12. Do I miss V12 racing hell yes... oh the sound... But the game has changed... So you either embrace it or you stop watching/ talking about racing.. I love racing so I accept it.
     
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  11. REALZEUS

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    Since power is capped (maximum power is 680 HP), a V12 would bring no advantage. On the contrary, it would just add weight and it's higher fuel consumption would be a hindrance (more stops). That's why no manufacturer uses a V12 for their LeMans prototypes.


    Well, that had everything to do with the chassis and the team, not the V12, which was the most powerful in the field. When Schumacher drove the 1995 F1 car, he said that the engine was brilliant and the car overall should have won if it were more reliable.


    Not really, as a big V12 would have all the torque needed, but you are right that its thirst would be a problem, necessitating more stops; not to mention the packaging and weight issues. Like it or not, current regulations lend themselves to smaller engines, since max power is capped anyway.
     
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  12. day355

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    Absolutely, you are right !
    I would add that the current regulations with the limitation of power are oriented for marketing purposes to promote and legitimize in the eyes of the general public, a certain type of engine, for commercial purposes.
    Finished the freedom to see compete in different categories (F1, endurance...) different types of engine architecture and power !
     
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  13. babgh

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    Bit off topic but ferrari needs to improve their hybrid system so it won't produce this kind of error code in this video
     
  14. 4re4ever

    4re4ever Formula 3

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  15. Johnny_Bravo

    Johnny_Bravo Formula Junior

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    What does this mean ?
     
  16. 4re4ever

    4re4ever Formula 3

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    I have not seen that blue warning label before so I am not sure.
    But the standard electrical yellow one was not present.
     
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  18. 4re4ever

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  20. markonex

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    Finally they start pushing real downforce at the front, so they can rise the rear downforce with proper wings without unbalancing the aerodynamic centre too much, nice to see how the bonnet is implementing huge S-duct evovled concept
    Seems Ferrari will be able to really rival with Valhalla and P1 replacement
     
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  21. REALZEUS

    REALZEUS F1 Veteran

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    The Valhalla, if it ever happens, will be one step below. This is a Valkyrie rival.
     
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  22. markonex

    markonex Formula Junior

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    I hear about it, but honestly seems difficult to rival with Vlakyrie in max downforce level and weight, while keeping human underbody instead of alien aeroship underbody like on valkyrie, plus usability and comfort look way higher on the LaF replacement, so maybe we shall wait for Hypercar XX evo program to see Valkyrie downforce levels.
    On power and performances, it will be there with Valkyrie though
     
  23. 4re4ever

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    An insider confirmed some time back that one of the F250 goal was to beat the Vlakyrie. Not sure in what terms or if that means out right (as they couldn't say much as you would expect). But given what they have done with the SF90 Vs the F250 has to be a big jump and stand its ground for a few years of new Ferrari's being released.
     

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