The Purosangue Thread

That's hard to look at.

 

The late Bill Harrah's "Jerrari"

 

Anyone else been told that Ferrari has already increased the base Purosangue price to $460K USD due to demand?

 

In the 812 replacement thread someone posted…. Wait….


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I’ve heard of a 20% price increase, which is insane. Asked my dealer and he said there’s talk of a price increase but no actual numbers yet. And that apparently since I payed my first deposit the price increase shouldn’t affect me.

 

Not in the 812 replacement thread, but I get your point. Didn’t realize that thread was in the same section as the 812. Not sure why we’re still having to do searches for Purosangue content…

 

I was just trying to be funny. Didn’t remember exactly which thread for sure (and too late/lazy to look back) but the funny thing (to me) was that I read both your posts back to back!


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Electric Hybrid Ferraris are way more Ferrari than 4 door Ferraris.m - Generally Speaking of course.


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Gee… interesting question. What is more Ferrari?
A hybrid 4WD or 2WD turbo 8 or 6 supercar or a NA V12 PS?
It pits engine vs vehicle configuration.


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One thing I appreciate is every element is functional. Anything 'dark' is an actual intake/vent. Folks get so used to tuxedo shirts, they no longer recognize the real thing.
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Folks like @Chicko say this car is too big, you know - just like the Lamborghini Revuelto.
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Lots of folks confuse this styling trope:
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With the real thing.

If all you've seen is 'suit shirts', I guess when one sees an Armani in photo - it could look staid.

 

Which rosso is that?

 

I think it's Rosso Portofino.

 

You do understand the reason the Toyota and many other production cars have fake vents/grills is purely cost based and not design? Ferrari can get away with it on a half a million dollar car but any automotive company is just as capable given the budget. Sadly the bean counters usually kill these elements before they go thru engineering due to cost constraints.

While the surfacing and graphic breakups/venting on the PS are well executed they are far from revolutionary or new. Designers have been sketching these exact elements you highlighted since I was in school in the early 90's.

 

Yes, that's exactly my point. Me? I rather have the 'real' thing or nothing at all. Just like I would never sport a fake Rolex either. Different strokes for different folks.

Btw, @Chicko I measured it - it's 1 inch taller than a 7 series sedan, and about the same smaller footprint as the Lambo most 'hard core' sports car. Guess the Lambo and Bimmer trucks...
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See? Now you are sounding like a purist! Now you see where the anti PS crowd is coming from.

 

All you Purosangue haters, skeptics & negative Nancys can move along and ignore the following commentary.

Had an opportunity yesterday to see the PS in the tin, up close and personal. My comments are not directed to why they chose to build the car, it's 'reason for being', whether Enzo would have liked it, or how it will alter the course of Ferrari Inc, etc.
Just my humble observations of Ferrari's latest. My comments are only my opinion and we all know about opinions, etc.

First off, I was absolutely taken aback at the execution, attention to detail and the overall design solutions. Sitting in the vehicle is like sitting in a personal executive jet. The back seat was sublime in its attention to detail. The entire interior is a quantum leap over previous Ferraris IMO. Like it or not, the world has changed, the market has changed and the customers have changed. So Ferrari can either change with the times or stagnate & die.

The exterior is muscular and unlike any SUV. It is a Ferrari. It embraces beauty that I believe is absent in many vehicles currently on the road. It's an aggressive coupe-like design on steroids, with a low profile. A higher CG with the new Multimatic suspension to compensate for the increased ride height. Having spent hundreds of hours in the wind tunnel, I appreciate the amount of aero elements. They were able to do things we only used to dream about. Again it's the attention to detail. I never thought I'd see a production vehicle w/22" & 23" wheels. Many will hate them, but I was in love with how they made the PS appear. It's the 'designer curse' I'm burdened with. And the fact that it has a NA V12 doesn't hurt the concept.

I just can't say enough great things about the PS. IMO, it's an out of the park home run. I wouldn't trade my up coming 296 GTS for one, but I really 'get it.' Ferrari will have no problem selling this vehicle. It will sell itself. Is it for everyone? Of course not. But those that can afford one will be pleased. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login

 

When it comes to fake vents/intakes - yes - guilty as charged.

 

A very good friend of mine and a former Design Director recently had this to say about the design of the Purosangue. He didn’t see the actual car but photos.
His view is opposite of mine, but I respect his opinion. Give 10 designers one design brief and you’ll get 10 different answers.
His review was on velocetoday.com.

“ It does not look good enough, at least as seen in these pictures. The forms do not have that smooth sexy feel that the great Ferraris had. It is odd that the front of the car in these images is darkened and I do not think that many will recognize it as a Ferrari. This has been a problem for Ferrari designers as they have lost their way regarding clear Ferrari front identity. And what a great one to give up.
Porsche designed a great looking four door sedan that they have skillfully evolved through the years and it really does look like and is executed like a Porsche. Many said for years that it could not be done.
I wonder if the “Eternal” rear spoiler, being parallel to the roof section was really added to maintain aerodynamic attachment and the backlight clear of driving snow rather than for adding downforce.
It and it’s name spoils a history of the most desireable sports cars on the planet, the opposite of what it portrays. It is a nice looking car when Ferrari history should demand a design that is clearly more Ferrari and outstanding when compared to it’s peers. It apparently does not have much room in the rear seat, one of the main reasons to have an SUV. You do get a great engine from the best engine designers in the world although not a great number of people will enjoy or really appreciate it.
I also wonder about the dual clutch eight speed transmission in the rear, like a certain Chevrolet? The Multimatic suspension technology came from GM. That certainly does make it clear that the GM powertrain and ride and handling engineers are some of the best in the world.
So, did Ferrari couple the best in the world engine with the best in the world transmission and suspension? From General Motors?”

 

I totally agree with what you wrote. It is a real Ferrari. The brand builds fantastic automobiles for different kind of customers. Now there is a car for the SUV crowd, and what a car!! On top of its game…

 

The DCT of the Purosangue is manufactured by ZF and the trick suspension is bu Multimatic. I don't know what your friend is talking about...

 

$460k BASE price and add another $100k minimum for options. That's almost a $600k SUV whenever they actually ship it. So my question is this: is the Purosangue worth THREE TIMES the price of an FF or Lusso? I mean you get basically the same 4wd system, the same v12 engine, same 4 seats.

I think that the FF and Lusso will gain value due to the enormous gap between the Purosangue pricing and an FF/Lusso that you can have today for far less money but still provide 90% of the experience. I don't believe that the price increases are due to demand more that inflation is ripping, materials are difficult to come by, wages have increased and shipping is much higher. But increased demand makes for a better story. I can see a future where far fewer Ferraris are being produced and the prices continuing to increase substantially. It's not like they made a lot of the FFs, maybe 2,300 and if you have one pre 2014 you own a a piece of the original Ferrari brand.

 

He just quoted what the author of the article said (who is an FChat member.)
Ferrari’s SUV

June 5, 2023 By pete 4 Comments



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Has it come to this?



By Wallace Wyss
Photos courtesy Ferrari

Picture the following glimpse of The Good Life. You have a mountain cabin in Telluride, Aspen or some such but would never want to take your Ferrari GTC4 Lusso there because of coping with snow and ice. But with the Purosangue (“purebred”) Ferrari, a 4wd SUV, you can tackle winter and still enjoy a purebred Ferrari.

A few years ago, it was inconceivable to Ferrari fans that Ferrari would ever offer a four door SUV like Porsche did with the Cayenne. But wait a minute–the Cayenne sold over 500,000 units–it basically saved Porsche, so they could afford to innovate with sports cars.

Ferrari came late to the party but, while they were developing an off-roader, the top tier of SUVs had grown in offerings and it’s clear there’s a competitive market. Ferrari doesn’t need that SUV crowd like Porsche did, but now that they have reluctantly entered the market, they hasten to assure us that their SUV sales will constitute only a small part of their sales–say 10%. They don’t ever want to be known as “that SUV maker.”



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Chassis



First of all, it is a “purebred,” as they claim, not adapted from some sister brand as is the Lamborghini Urus, the Rolls Cullinan and the Bentley Bentayga. Because the electric car world is looming as a threat to IC engines by 2035, it is refreshing to enthusiasts that this Ferrari SUV has the configuration of engine that made the marque’s name–a V12.

You could describe its design as a four door, though it’s actually a five door if you count the hatchback door. The rear seats fold down so you could load in your ski gear and it’s off to the slopes.

The 48-valve 6496 cc V12 is rated at 715 bhp. The 0-60 mph time is faster than a 427 Cobra in its time—3.3 seconds. Top speed? A nudge over 190 mph.

The engine is derived from that in the GTC4 Lusso but has been improved with new crankshaft, new pistons and many other improvements. The cylinder heads are based on their premium GT car, the 812 Competitzione. The chassis is 30% more torsionally rigid than the GTC4 Lusso. The dual clutch gearbox is an 8-speed automatic located in the rear, though the engine is in front.



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The 48-valve 6496 cc V12 is rated at 715 bhp.



Although the cognoscenti might think the American auto industry has nothing in the Engineering Department that would ever interest an exotic car maker, it is to Ferrari’s credit that they recognized the genius of GM’s Multimatic suspension– a system that makes anti-roll bars unnecessary by using a 48-volt motor at each wheel to instantaneously control the ride no matter what maneuver you do. So, they bought the best idea from America to make their Ferrari SUV better.



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Clean and stylish, a refreshing change from the run-of-the-mill Japanese and American SUVS.



So far, the only thing the critics found to knock was their infotainment system—it seems hard for foreign automakers to make controls that will satisfy the constantly changing tastes of consumers in that area. The price of the Purosangue is a heady $398,350, which is before you add the $5000 destination charge. That’s over $100,000 more than the Lamborghini Urus, but after all, the Urus only has a 4.0 liter V8, not a legendary V12, an engine which one road tester dramatically describes as emitting “the battle cry of a dying breed” (alluding to the industry common belief that Ferrari too, will eventually go all electric).

About the design, here’s a few general comments. The bonnet is long, like a traditional front engine sports car. The big scoops down below the headlamps add a macho tone. It’s difficult to make a vehicle riding so high look as sexy as a low-slung sports car but the body is sculptured to look aggressive. It is a far cry from say, a Range Rover Velar–the ultimate in minimalist flatness–but you would expect a brand famous for performance to look more macho than any other SUV. The taillights are odd for a Ferrari, almost Oldsmobile-ish. It’s got two spoilers to keep downforce on the rear, one designed into the body and the other eternally attached at the top.



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Hard to believe there are four doors…well done!





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Welcome to the world of the Ferrari Sports Utility Vehicle.



IN SUM….what can you say? A jacked-up SUV is never going to look as svelte as a low to the ground sports car but the Pursosangue will at last allow Ferrari owners to drive in winter, whether it’s St. Moritz, Aspen or Telluride… and to have their cake and eat it too…

For more information: https://www.ferrari.com/en-EN/auto/ferrari-purosangue